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Sunday, March 3, 2024

The Clintons and Jim Crow racism

Hillary Clinton Thursday admitted that she is the candidate of dumb whites - no more, no less. As her campaign continues its slide into the dustbin of political also-rans, she told USA Today that she should be president because ignorant white people want her in the White House and they are the only people who really matter in this election year.

Hillary Clinton Thursday admitted that she is the candidate of dumb whites – no more, no less.

As her campaign continues its slide into the dustbin of political also-rans, she told USA Today that she should be president because ignorant white people want her in the White House and they are the only people who really matter in this election year.

In other words, she said vote for me because I’m white because the black guy from Chicago doesn’t stand a chance in this racially-divided nation.

Reports USA Today:

In an interview Wednesday with USA TODAY, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton said that she would be the stronger nominee because she appeals to a wider coalition of voters — including whites who have not supported Barack Obama in recent contests. “I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on,” she said. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article that she said “found how Sen. Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me.”

A card-carrying member of the Ku Klux Klan could made a statement any more racist or ignorant.

Writes an angry Eugene Robinson in The Washington Post:

From the beginning, Hillary Clinton has campaigned as if the Democratic nomination were hers by divine right. That’s why she is falling short — and that’s why she should be persuaded to quit now, rather than later, before her majestic sense of entitlement splits the party along racial lines.

If that sounds harsh, look at the argument she made Wednesday, in an interview with USA Today, as to why she should be the nominee instead of Barack Obama. She cited an Associated Press article “that found how Senator Obama’s support . . . among working, hardworking Americans, white Americans, is weakening again. I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on.”

As a statement of fact, that’s debatable at best. As a rationale for why Democratic Party superdelegates should pick her over Obama, it’s a slap in the face to the party’s most loyal constituency — African Americans — and a repudiation of principles the party claims to stand for. Here’s what she’s really saying to party leaders: There’s no way that white people are going to vote for the black guy. Come November, you’ll be sorry.

You can’t blame Robinson for being pissed. Anybody with an ounce of rational thought should be mad as hell but few should be surprised. Both Clintons played the race card every chance they got and Hillary is finally letting her outright racism show.

The Post’s Robinson is more charitable. He writes:

Clinton’s sin isn’t racism, it’s arrogance. From the beginning, the Clinton campaign has refused to consider the possibility that Obama’s success was more than a fad. This was supposed to be Clinton’s year, and if Obama was winning primaries, there had to be some reason that had nothing to do with merit. It was because he was black, or because he had better slogans, or because he was a better public speaker, or because he was the media’s darling. This new business about white voters is just the latest story the Clinton campaign is telling itself about the usurper named Obama.

“It’s still early,” Clinton said Wednesday, vowing to fight on. At some level, she seems to believe the nomination is hers. Somebody had better tell her the truth before she burns the house down.

Perhaps, but it is also possible that both Hillary and Bill Clinton are racists. They are good enough at the game of politics to sucker African Americans into believing they supported their causes when, as history clearly shows, the only causes the Clintons ever truly support are their own unbridled arrogance and ambition.

39 thoughts on “The Clintons and Jim Crow racism”

  1. Clarification of a few points, if I may.

    First, I never have been, I am not now, and I never shall be a Democrat; therefore, I am completely disinterested as to who wins the nomination. Actually, uninterested is a more accurate statement of my feelings except for the numerous popcorn moments that the contest has provided and probably will do so for yet some weeks. Pace, neither am I a McCain votary; he will not get my vote either.

    Second, the Florida and Michigan wins were indeed pseudo victories for Clinton, as they were not even supposed to count and she would not have started making all of those “fairness” noises had her Plan A not assumed room temperature. A revote would probably have been the fairest thing for the Democratic voters of both states; however, the DNC wants to save its money for the general campaign, Clinton is nearly broke and has left a string of debts behind her, and Obama really doesn’t need it.

    Florida’s legislature is under GOP control, but Michigan’s is under Democratic control. The legislatures of states normally set the dates for elections, so it was a bald attempt by the DNC to impose its conditions for a strictly internal party matter on the legitimate governments of two states. Either state, regardless of the party in political control, has the right to determine the interests of the state with respect to election dates without obtaining a nihil obstat from either party. Had the Democrats actually possessed some real leadership other than a cipher like Howard “Scream” and the collection of mullets around him, then they could have imposed the rule differently and not managed to anger voters in two states through their ineptness.

    Third, the GOP machine is just as broken as is the Democratic machine. Both need to be junked and replaced, but that will not happen for the simple reason that too many blind devotees of both have too much invested and they believe that if they keep tinkering with they will somehow right themselves and all will be good again. The only hope is for the electorate to simply ignore both machines, not vote, and so delegitimize their rule that they will become worthless.

    Fourth, neither Obama nor Clinton has an impressive record of legislation AFAIK. Abe Lincoln had no particular legislative record – though he was a very good appellate lawyer. John Kennedy was also unimpressive, despite 14 years in the House and the Senate. FDR had none, nor did Truman, nor Eisenhower, nor Reagan. Presidential qualifications seem to be somewhat beyond counting coup on how many bills you got through. If you want legislative accomplishment in the Senate as the presidential decider, then you want either Teddy Kennedy or Robert Byrd.

    Last, if we are going to talk about excuses, let’s remember the old adage that they are like assholes: Everybody has one and they all stink. Yes, Obama’s excuses for not putting on a performance as a chairman are flimsy; however, no one has died as a result of his inaction. I’m far more disgusted with Clinton’s excuses for voting for an unnecessary war and for continuing to support it, for supporting some liberty-murdering thing like the Patriot travesty and its extension.

    Most sincerely,

    T. J. Flapsaddle

  2. As to the “race card”, it seems to have been a standard political ploy, since the early 1600s, when black slaves were first brought here, to keep an elite in power.

    We had a famous senator in North Carolina who constantly used racism to get votes from his reputed constituency. At the same time, he favored his real constituency, the various mill owners, by helping them move their operations overseas, thereby putting his voters out of work. (By the way, part of this effort was his support of American-sponsored terrorism in Central America to make the area “safe” for his clients. He even supplied a death squad with names of labor agitators so that they could be hunted down.)

    But this duplicity, and the willingness of Americans to fall for it is just as old as the practice itself. I hope all of you have read “What’s the Matter With Kansas”, by Thomas Frank; it describes the effects of the current practice of getting people to vote against their own interests. (There are other books on the subject.)

    Anyway, if we had a democracy in America, I’m sure we’d have several more parties to choose from, since hardly anyone can actually pigeon-hole himself into the two we have. But I take that idea to its logical conclusion: Partisanship is inherently dishonest. No party is without good and ill, right and wrong, but partisans inevitably minimize the ills and wrongs of their own party, while maximizing the ills and wrongs of other parties. The only honest partisan is the partisan for truth, wherever it is found.

    As to the hope that any president can make substantial changes to divert this nation from its slide into wholesale corporate fascism, I doubt it. Think of all the secrecy to be undone and information to be released, the presidential signing statements to be negated, the judgeships to counter, the numerous onerous laws to repeal, the agency heads to be replaced with real experts, and–not least–the (illegitimate) power the president would have to relinquish!

  3. James Carville on the Jennifer Flowers “bimbo eruption”: You can get just about anything you want when you drive through a trailer park waving a $100 bill.

    I’d say that Senator Clinton has no problems at all waving whatever denomination it will take to get out the vote.

    Most sincerely,

    T. J. Flapsaddle

  4. “No, he didn’t specifically say WHITE people, but you get the drift. Here it is, just in case you have been living under a rock.
    You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest…”

    And every time I hear those words, I hear the music of Bruce Springsteen in the background. Obama is not speaking ABOUT or OVER these people, he is speaking TO them.
    He’s speaking to the same people that Bruce speaks to when he sings “Born In The USA”, or when Mellencamp sings “Blood On The Plow”.
    In effect he is trying to reach out to them, saying that he hasn’t forgotten them and he is addressing their bitterness in an attempt to get them out of their comfort zone.
    Guns, religion, antipathy, and anti-immigrant sentiment are all multi-faceted issues and as much as some folks might like to reduce them to their cardboard outer appearances, they are:

    Guns: Home and personal defense or criminal weaponry

    Religion: faith and worship or emptyheaded zealotry

    Antipathy: Ethnic cohesiveness and unity or the mindless xenophobia of ignorance

    Anti-immigrant sentiment: Knee-jerk racist reactionary thinking or focused anger against a broken system and double standard that rewards lawbreakers and slaps the face of law abiding legal immigrants and citizens alike in the same blow

    It’s up to YOU to decide which angle is the valid one,
    and which angle he is addressing; he may be addressing both.
    It is up to the people to decide which angle is the one that they should support and cling to.

  5. The Democratic Party is irrevocably broken and should be disbanded and replaced.

    As for Afghanistan, the US went in to supposedly extract CIA asset Osama bin Laden. He couldn’t be found and is now said to be hiding out in the “no mans land” border areas between Afghanistan and Pakistan. The US has no business in Afghanistan and should leave.

    Let us not forget that the US was backing the Taliban to the tune of several hundred million dollars prior to the invasion. The US won’t leave because invading and occupying is what the US does. The original reason need no longer exist to maintain the occupation. The US has done this since at least the Spanish American War.

    The entire United States Government needs to be replaced. It is too laden with sociopaths, psychopaths, and just plain criminals.

    — Kent Shaw

  6. Please Sherry…………..

    Please don’t become so ensnared in the Clinton spin machine and totally disregard facts.

    To say that the Florida Dems had no say in setting the date for the primary is a total falsehood. Check and you will see that the vote in the Florida legislature was BI-PARTISAN. Why can’t Clintonites ever accept facts that are contrery to what they want. Guess that question answers itself! As someone said about Lanny Davis and the Clintons, all rules are negotiable. Actually this view is incorrect since by Clinton standards there are no rules except those that can be manipulated to favor Hillary.

    Hillary (and Bill) have no compunctions about straight lying, such as she “miss-spoke” about the sniper fire in Bosnia. Nothing more than an outright lie. If she will do anything to further her cause, god knows how she could spin the Constitution to fit her self serving needs. She could possibly make W look like an amateur in this respect.

    Yes she is smart, tough, resilient, etc., but she is scary. She has proven that her own self interests (and Bills) come ahead of anything else.

    Sherry, I do agree with you that the Democratic party is on the brink of being irreversibly split. This circumstance, however, is entirely due to the incredibly short sighted and self serving interests of the Clintons.

    Hope that you and other Hillary suppoerters can be de-programed in time to support Obama.

  7. With all due respect TJ, the FL and MI victories were not “pseudo”. Neither candidate campaigned in FL and both names were on the ballot, though Obama did break the rules and run an ad. Hillary still won.

    The Florida democrats had no say in the changing of the primary date. The legislature, as well as the governor are republican. Florida is a swing state we desperately need.

    In Michigan, Congressman John Conyers urged Obama supporters to vote uncommitted, of which 43% did.

    Clinton offered a re vote, but Obama wants no part of it.

    TJ, at this point I believe the party is fractured beyond repair. This is the year, as in 2004 the democrats should win hands down, but they won’t. No one is going after McCain. He is just sitting there, waiting for the eventual divide which will come to him.

    Obama supporters have become so utterly nasty that those who supported Hillary,but might have supported the democratic candidate no longer will.

    Obama supporters want us to look past his rather thin legislative record. His claim to fame is a watered down ethics bill. Joe Wilson (Clinton supporter had a withering review of Obama’s inaction) wrote the following:
    “What should we make of Obama’s other judgments in foreign affairs? Take Afghanistan, for example. It has been evident for some time that our efforts there are going badly and that cooperation and support from our NATO allies would be helpful. As chairman of the subcommittee on Senate Foreign Relations responsible for NATO and Europe, Obama could have used his lofty position actually to engage the issue and pressure the administration to take some action to improve our chance of success in that conflict against the Taliban and Al Qaeda. Of course, that would have involved holding hearings, questioning administration witnesses, and taking a position and offering alternatives. That is what we expect that from senators in a democracy. It is called oversight.

    But, instead, Obama, by his own admission, offers the excuse that he has been too busy running for president to do anything substantive, such as direct his staff to organize a single hearing. “Well, first of all,” Obama was forced to confess in the Democratic debate in Ohio on February 26, “I became chairman of this committee at the beginning of this campaign, at the beginning of 2007. So it is true that we haven’t had oversight hearings on Afghanistan.” To date, his subcommittee has held no policy hearings at all — none. At the same time that Obama claimed he was too busy campaigning to do anything substantive, racking up one of the worst attendance records in the Senate, Senator Clinton chaired extensive hearings of the Subcommittee on Superfund and Environmental Health and attended many others as a member of the Armed Service Committee.

    As a consequence of Obama’s dereliction of duty on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, a feckless administration has had absolutely no oversight as it careens from disaster to disaster in Afghanistan, including the central governments loss of control over 70 percent of the country and yet another bumper crop of opium to fuel the efforts of the Taliban and their terrorist allies.”

    So when he became a Senator and had the chance to make difference, he didn’t. I see plenty of slogans, charges of racism if all else fails. I don’t see a lot of accomplishment or judgement.

  8. I’ve read the comments here. Must say, Hil has done a good job of positioning herself as the white-trailer-trash candidate. She has had completely free will in how she’s chosen to position her candidacy. Poor choice.

  9. And this is somehow surprising?

    Clinton’s incipient strategy of racism manifested itself after Super Tuesday, when Bill Clinton played the first of the many race cards of the Democratic poker game. This will be Hillary Clinton’s final redoubt: To argue in camera, before the power-brokers, that Obama cannot win a crucial segment of Democratic voters – the white voters of the lower end of the socio-economic spectrum. She will have the wins in Pennsylvania, Indiana and Texas, as well as the pseudo-victories in Michigan and Florida, and the upcoming probable wins in Kentucky and West Virginia.

    Her argument will be quite simple, that a black candidate cannot carry the necessary votes among the poorer white electorate. She will, in essence, argue that Obama’s momentum and general popularity during the primaries are immaterial, that in the general election it will translate into defections to the GOP – per Reagan – or simply boycotting the election. Her calculus will imply that Obama will alienate more white voters than can be replaced by the 90%-plus votes of blacks for him.

    At that point, the so-called “superdelegates” and the power brokers of the party must decide whether the poorer, less educated, and potentially cross-over white voters or the fewer but intensely loyal black voters can be safely ignored without giving McCain the election.

    Most sincerely,

    T. J. Flapsaddle

  10. This is like waking up from a bad dream and being scared, confused and semi-comatose all at once. That Americans have swallowed so much crap over the years from our filthy media is not (much) the fault of Joe Bubba ‘Mer’kin. The problem is, are these morons gonna wake up in time? We’re about to start WWIII, folks. And all the con-didates have pandered to the crooks, the incredibly powerful people who WANT war with Iran. Even Obama doesn’t have the ability to educate the masses quickly enough, and Hillary seems quite content to make Joe Lieberman her SecDef, to program our arsenal trajectory coordinates for Tehran.

    Actually, this is a lot worse than a bad dream. Americans will reap what they sow, however, even if they are so dumb that they “know not what they do.” It’s a fundamental truth of the universe, expressed in numerous ways. The law of karma, or causality, is my personal favorite. But just keep clinging to your fairy-tale religion and telling yourself you’ll be saved, if that makes the downward journey easier on y’all.

  11. Most eloquent. However, if Clinton is the Democratic candidate I cannot vote for her. Nor can I vote for McCain.

    How much longer are we going to allow the bankrupt and fraudulent “system” continue by picking the lesser of two evils?

    We are doomed. Voting out the miscreants and voting in good people would take decades and that is only if people are aware and involved. But they are not. They are watching American Idol and VOTING.

    The rice bowls are still full. The rent is still paid. The bed is still warm. All is right with the world.

    Blissful denial.

    — Kent Shaw

  12. I appreciate everyone’s prayers. We all need all the prayers we can get.
    I have never owned a gun, so I guess I am just not as bitter as Obama would like.
    It is truly sad when a debate cannot be had without personal attacks.
    If ya don’t vote for the O man, then you must be a racist.
    You can yell that all you want. Say prayers and cast spells if you wish.
    Another poster said all our candidates suck and I don’t disagree. Hillary was not even my third choice of those running in the primaries, but she is the best of the worst.
    I just wonder how bitter and insulting you will be in November.
    And Ridingchick, I will pray for you too. 🙂

  13. Of Hillary Clinton, nobody can say she’s not a great actress. She’s the best I’ve seen since Katharine Hepburn left us. Hillary can play to any audience and tell them just what they want. Hillary can memorize any script and play the heck out of it. She’s very, very good.

    And she’s the best in the world at keeping her name in the forefront of the news. Even Britney Spears isn’t that good.

    Thing is, Hillary’s not what this country needs. She tried her health plan and it was a big flop. She’s hoping nobody remembers that.

    Aside from Obama’s unarguable rock star appeal, he seems to be a decent man who tells the truth, whether it’s what the audience wants to hear or not. That takes guts. He also writes his own speeches (mostly) which is extremely unusual these days.

    I don’t know what the opposite of “pander” is, but whatever the word is, it’s what Obama does.

  14. As a former Hillary Clinton supporter, I guess I’ll weigh in here. I actually had great respect for her. She is intelligent, articulate, engaging, personable, and resilient. All of those things are commendable and make for a good candidate. I thought that those who claimed that she was just in it for herself were wrong and that she was committed to what is best for this country. Now, I am not quite so sure of this.

    From the start, I also liked Barack Obama. He is intelligent, articulate, cool and collected, has good judgment, and most important of all – he is thoughtful about what he says.

    The media hype over the Rev Wright, Ayers, and the “bitter” comments are being made primarily because there needs to be controversy in order for anything to show well on tv and because those who hype them are slaves to corporate interests. Talking heads need controversy so that people will keep watching and talking about them (Limbaugh, Matthews, Hannity, O’Reilly, et. al. – because for them, it really is about them, not what is best for this country).

    Obama is correct in his assessments regarding bitterness. Many people have reason to feel betrayed. And, when people know that they have reason to feel betrayed, they do get bitter, and they do tend to cling to the familiar and secure. As they struggle, the reason for their job loss is no longer that the company chose to outsource, but that someone else took their job away from them. They allow themselves to be hoodwinked by corporate mouthpieces (Limbaugh, O’Reilly, and no longer vote their own interests. Monied interests have used these tactics to pit working people against each other for well over one hundred years. Divert people with false issues like gay marriage, tell them that immigrants are taking their jobs and you don’t have to be afraid that they will come after you. You sit back and watch the mayhem, but that lolly keeps rolling in.

    I came to the conclusion that Hillary Clinton was only interested in her personal destiny, not that of the nation, when she started campaigning for John McCain – “I have experience, John McCain has experience….”. Her disreputable and characterless response to a question regarding Obama and whether or not he was a Muslim was another key for me that she was not the woman of character that I wanted to believe she was. I lost even more respect for her after her remarks about obliterating Iran.

    This does not mean I would not vote for her if she were the party candidate, I would since she would be a much better president than McCain – but with great disappointment that she was the one. Of the three candidates up for offer, the only one who is worthy of note is Obama. He has not pandered to the religious right, nor has he abandoned his message of economic and social justice. He has done a good job of organizing his campaign and fundraising. He has said that he would reinstate habeas corpus, close Guantanamo, and stop spying on Americans. It is my hope that he will go even further in repudiating the Bush regime and all its policies. He is thoughtful where foreign policy is concerned and that is precisely what we need – a president who will think. Furthermore, he has been conciliatory and respectful of both Clinton and McCain without abandoning his own message.

    Those who claim to be Democrats and can find something to support in John McCain’s message are kidding themselves that they were democrats to start with. If you support continuation of tax policies favoring the wealthy; corruption where government contracts are concerned; war profiteering; abandonment of women’s rights, human rights and civil liberties; decay of our national infrastructure; destruction of the separation between church and state; refusal to support the needs of veterans; an overreaching executive; supreme court justices that are aligned with business interests and right wing ideologues; then vote for Mr. McCain, but don’t call yourself a democrat. If personal pique because your candidate lost, allows you to do this, you weren’t much of a democrat to start with.

  15. Sherry is upset because Hillary ran on the BUBBA plan and they let her down…So Sad!!!

    WWWexler, you are correct! No one could have explained it any better.

    Let us all keep Sherry in our thoughts.

  16. “Folks, its Hillary or McCain, because Obama can’t win.”

    Another example of wishful thinking from a Clinton cultist.

  17. Poor Sherry:

    She is that bitter white person who cling to guns and religion.

    Let’s all pray for Sherry. She has DEEP SEEDED ISSUES about RACE that she need assistance in finding ways to come to terms with reality!

    Obama for President ’08

  18. And having lived for the last 30 years in one of those small Pennsylvania towns in an area surrounded by a lot of other small towns, I can tell you that Obama’s remarks could not have been more accurate. I honestly don’t know a lot of black people so I can’t speak for them, but I can tell you those views are PREVALENT among poor, uneducated white people in south central Pennsylvania which also happens to harbor an incredibly racist white population. Harsh, but true. Its a rare day when I don’t hear “the N-word”.

    — Kent Shaw

  19. wifey is considerably older than 8 years, so that does not explain it. It does however offer some insight into the utter hypocrisy of Obama supporters

  20. “Translation: Only stupid people vote for Hill”.

    Speak for yourself.

    Oh, and if you can be proud of America for what this nation has done in the last 8 years, that would explain it.


  21. Do you think in Obama’s comments he thinks poor black people cling to guns and religion?
    The double standard here is astonishing
    The polls all along have suggested educated people are for Obama, while those earning under 50K are for Hillary.
    Translation: Only stupid people vote for Hill. The smart ones vote for the political novice with no real record because, well, he speaks so well and he is inspiring……..
    And is wife, for the first time in her sorry life is finally proud of America.

    Oh yeah. Makes me wanna vote for em. Not

  22. He didn’t specifically mention white people.


    However, Clinton did. And she says that they won’t vote for him because he’s black. Quite a bit different than suggesting that the decay of American towns and economy makes people bitter.

    Saying that “poor dumb whites vote for me” is arrogant, racist, and incorrect.


  23. 33rd st, these are the comments posted by Time Magazine on the comments O used at a San Fran fundraiser
    No, he didn’t specifically say WHITE people, but you get the drift. Here it is, just in case you have been living under a rock.
    You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

  24. It’s no secret that the GOP has made hay out of getting people to vote against their own interests by using wedge issues.

    The Clinton’s wedge issue is race, and they are campaigning on it just like GOPERS. Karl Rove would be proud.


  25. That last stats I saw was that 25% of Americans hold 4 year degrees.
    BTW, calling non supporters of Obama stupid, uneducated, and bitter, doesn’t help the cause. Even republicans aren’t that stupid.
    That is why they keep winning and dems keep losing.
    It’s like watching a train wreck.

  26. Hey : I too am a bitter whitey, but holding on to my right to protect myself and keep a little faith expresses individuality, not racism or ignorance.

    Pigeon holing people in different areas of our land is crass and smacks of prejudice and elitism.This crap floods out of Washington and is magnified by the cancerous media who knowingly seek to divide America rather than unite.

    I’ve said before that we need the Senator from N.Y. to focus on her job, but as she has proven, her oath of office is secondary to her commitment to turn one against the other as she seeks to lead this great nation.

    Hilly : if you are paying attention let it be known that from here you have become a pariah and have turned your followers into rovian hyperboloid’s.

    Shame appears to be something utterly foreign to you, and while you to try to weave your chameleon spell you and your elected fellows have let smirky boy run this country into the black hole of fascism.

    Are you proud to have carried once reasonable people into the bowels of your present divisiveness?

    All three of these candidates SUCK, how we got here convinces me even more to distrust my neighbor and watch my back evermore.

    There is your version of mission accomplished hilly, sleep well.

  27. I am surprised that Doug didn’t bring up Sen. Clinton’s “big house” comments from a while back. Even then we knew that she really wanted to be sipping mint juleps on the Big House’s porch.

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