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U.S. now tries to rationalize spying on allies

Demonstration against internet surveillance
A demonstrator protests with a poster against espionage programs in Hanover, Germany. (Photo by: Peter Steffen/picture-alliance/dpa/AP Images)

The U.S. says it gathers the same kinds of intelligence as other nations to safeguard against foreign terror threats, pushing back on fresh outrage from key allies over secret American surveillance programs that reportedly installed covert listening devices in European Union offices.

Facing threatened investigations and sanctions from Europe, U.S. intelligence officials plan to discuss the new allegations — reported in Sunday’s editions of the German newsweekly Der Spiegel — directly with EU officials.

But “as a matter of policy, we have made clear that the United States gathers foreign intelligence of the type gathered by all nations,” concluded a statement issued Sunday from the national intelligence director’s office.

It was the latest backlash in a nearly monthlong global debate over the reach of U.S. surveillance that aims to prevent terror attacks. The two programs, both run by the National Security Agency, pick up millions of telephone and Internet records that are routed through American networks each day. Reports about the programs have raised sharp concerns about whether they violate public privacy rights at home and abroad.

The concerns came as the former head of the CIA and NSA urged the White House to make the spy programs more transparent to calm public fears about the American government’s snooping.

Several European officials — including in Germany, Italy, France, Luxembourg and the EU government itself — said the new revelations could scuttle ongoing negotiations on a trans-Atlantic trade treaty that, ultimately, seeks to create jobs and boost commerce by billions annually in what would be the world’s largest free trade area.

“Partners do not spy on each other,” said EU Justice Commissioner Viviane Reding. “We cannot negotiate over a big trans-Atlantic market if there is the slightest doubt that our partners are carrying out spying activities on the offices of our negotiators. The American authorities should eliminate any such doubt swiftly.”

European Parliament President Martin Schulz, said he was “deeply worried and shocked about the allegations of U.S. authorities spying on EU offices.” And Luxembourg Foreign Minister and Deputy Prime Minister Jean Asselborn said he had no reason to doubt the Der Spiegel report, and rejected the notion that security concerns trump the broad U.S. surveillance authorities.

“We have to re-establish immediately confidence on the highest level of the European Union and the United States,” Asselborn told The Associated Press.

According to Der Spiegel, the NSA planted bugs in the EU’s diplomatic offices in Washington and infiltrated the building’s computer network. Similar measures were taken at the EU’s mission to the United Nations in New York, the magazine said. It also reported that the NSA used secure facilities at NATO headquarters in Brussels to dial into telephone maintenance systems that would have allowed it to intercept senior officials’ calls and Internet traffic at a key EU office nearby.

The report in Der Spiegel cited classified U.S. documents taken by NSA leaker and former contractor Edward Snowden that the magazine said it had partly seen. It did not publish the alleged NSA documents it cited, nor say how it obtained access to them. But one of the report’s authors is Laura Poitras, an award-winning documentary filmmaker who interviewed Snowden while he was holed up in Hong Kong.

The Guardian newspaper also published an article Sunday alleging NSA surveillance of the EU offices, citing classified documents provided by Snowden. The Guardian said one document lists 38 NSA “targets,” including embassies and missions of U.S. allies like France, Italy, Greece, Japan, Mexico, South Korea, India and Turkey.

In Washington, the statement from the national intelligence director’s office said U.S. officials planned to respond to the concerns with their EU counterparts and through diplomatic channels with specific nations. It did not provide further details.

NSA Director Keith Alexander last week said the government stopped gathering U.S. citizens’ Internet data in 2011. But the NSA programs that sweep up foreigners’ data through U.S. servers to pin down potential threats to Americans from abroad continue.

Speaking on CBS’ “Face the Nation,” former NSA and CIA Director Mike Hayden downplayed the European outrage over the programs, saying they “should look first and find out what their own governments are doing.” But Hayden said the Obama administration should try to head off public criticism by being more open about the top-secret programs so that “people know exactly what it is we are doing in this balance between privacy and security.”

“The more they know, the more comfortable they will feel,” Hayden said. “Frankly, I think we ought to be doing a bit more to explain what it is we’re doing, why, and the very tight safeguards under which we’re operating.”

Hayden also defended a secretive U.S. court that weighs whether to allow the government to seize the Internet and phone records from private companies. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court is made up of federal judges but does not consider objections from defense attorneys in considering the government’s request for records.

Last year, the government asked the court to approve 1,789 applications to spy on foreign intelligence targets, according to a Justice Department notice to Congress dated April 30. The court approved all but one — and that was withdrawn by the government.

Critics have derided the court as a rubber stamp approval for the government, sparking an unusual response last week in The Washington Post by its former chief judge. In a statement to the newspaper, U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly disputed a draft NSA inspector general’s report that suggested the court collaborated with the executive branch instead of maintaining judicial independence. Kollar-Kotelly was the court’s chief judge from 2002 to 2006, when some of the surveillance programs were underway.

Some European counties have much stronger privacy laws than does the U.S.

In Germany, where criticism of the NSA’s surveillance programs has been particularly vocal, Justice Minister Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger likened the spying outlined in the Der Spiegel report to “methods used by enemies during the Cold War.” German federal prosecutors are examining whether the reported U.S. electronic surveillance programs broke German laws.

Green Party leaders in the European Parliament called for an immediate investigation into the claims and called for existing U.S.-EU agreements on the exchange of bank transfer and passenger record information to be canceled. Both programs have been labeled as unwarranted infringements of citizens’ privacy by left-wing and libertarian lawmakers in Europe.

The dispute also has jeopardized diplomatic relations between the U.S. and some of it its most unreliable allies, including China, Russia and Ecuador.

Snowden, who tuned 30 last week, revealed himself as the document leaker in June interviews in Hong Kong, but fled to Russia before China’s government could turn him over to U.S. officials. Snowden is now believed to be holed up in a transit zone in Moscow’s international airport, where Russian officials say they have no authority to catch him since he technically has not crossed immigration borders.

It’s also believed Snowden is seeking political asylum from Ecuador. But Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa signaled in an AP interview Sunday that it’s unlikely Snowden will end up there. Correa portrayed Russia as entirely the masters of Snowden’s fate, and the Kremlin said it will take public opinion and the views of human rights activists into account when considering his case. That could lay the groundwork for Snowden to seek asylum in Russia.

Outgoing National Security Adviser Tom Donilon said U.S. and Russian law enforcement officials are discussing how to deal with Snowden, who is wanted on espionage charges. “The sooner that this can be resolved, the better,” Donilon said in an interview with CNN’s Fareed Zakaria.

House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi has a different take on what to do with Snowden. “I think it’s pretty good that he’s stuck in the Moscow airport,” Pelosi, D-Calif, said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” ”That’s OK with me. He can stay there, that’s fine.”


Jordans reported from Berlin. Associated Press writers Raf Casert in Brussels, Greg Keller in Paris, Frances D’Emilio in Rome, Jovana Gec in Zabgreb, Croatia, Lynn Berry in Moscow and Michael Weissenstein in Portoviejo, Ecuador, contributed to this report.


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8 thoughts on “U.S. now tries to rationalize spying on allies”

  1. “What stuns me the most is the general level of apathy concerning this flap. The collective attitude of those that I’ve sampled is “the government does it all the time” and nothing can be done to stop them or simply a blase’, give a care response as if the whole subject is boring.”


    It IS “boring” to most!

    I chalk most of it up to today’s “immediate” society where, unless something happens immediately (as in a video game), it’s “boring”.

    I also often think that, because we all are bombarded daily with “information” these days, from the TV and Internet (et al), it’s sometimes hard to sort the “wheat from the chaff”.

    And, of course, with our totally corrupt US Government putting a “spin” on most everything they do and say (with hired psychologists on staff to make absolutely sure we all stay in the dark as to what’s REALLY going on) again, the average “Joe” on the street simply doesn’t have the educational background to even BEGIN to process (let alone understand) it all.

    That’s not stupidity, mind you.

    It’s simple ignorance.

    I believe it was Adolph Hitler’s Minister of Propaganda (Joseph Goebbels) who once said that, “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.”

    Clearly, the American public has now Swallowed whole the “Big Lie” that is the “War on Terror”. It’s the end result of an absolutely MASSIVE campaign of deception, all designed to keep the “Military-Industrial-Complex” gainfully employed and scarfing their Trillions from the public trough.

    You may very well be correct that the ONLY way the US Government’s totally fraudulent “house of cards” will come tumbling down will be in the face of an absolutely MASSIVE natural or man-made disaster.

    Personally, I believe the all-but-inevitable worldwide economic collapse that will soon be upon us might just be enough to do it.

    But, then again, knowing the (now horribly entrenched) ignorance of the American people (most of whom STILL don’t have a flipping clue as to what’s going on in their government and could care less) I’m not holding my breath….

  2. …break

    caldera eruption etc.

    So in summation I think other than it’s current sensationlistic impact, nothing will change and it’s going to be business as usual.

    Carl Nemo **==

    Note: My apologies for the break. I fat fingered the keyboard and prematurely posted my content.

  3. The NSA’s unconstitutional “house of cards” continues to collapse. And, now they’ve pissed off the rest of the world as well.

    What’s even more disturbing is that, while Mr. Snowden has (as of yet) been convicted of nothing, the United States has cancelled his passport and is now in the process of denying him the basic human right of asylum.

    Clearly, the US Government is not afraid of Mr. Snowden per se.

    Rather, the US Government is DEATHLY afraid of you and me finding out the naked truth of their (up to now) “secret” criminality.

    • “Clearly, the US Government is not afraid of Mr. Snowden per se.

      Rather, the US Government is DEATHLY afraid of you and me finding out the naked truth of their (up to now) “secret” criminality.” …extract from post

      It’s interesting that you should propose the government is ‘afraid’ of John and Mary Q. Citizen.

      I’m an affable guy and make it a point to now business proprietors in my area as well as the folks that frequent their premises. I have a way of engaging conversation without being offensive.

      I’ve been introducing the subject of Edward Snowden when I’m in Starbucks to folks that I know and frequent the establishment regularly.

      What stuns me the most is the general level of apathy concerning this flap. The collective attitude of those that I’ve sampled is “the government does it all the time” and nothing can be done to stop them or simply a blase’, give a care response as if the whole subject is boring.

      It’s my belief between the mass administration of antidepressants, fluoridated water and many decades of evermore inance Tv programming that this nation’s citizens have been turnd into passive, bovine intellects when it comes to politics, the well-being of their nation, endless wars against faceless terrorsits, the war on drugs etc. Our entire societal construct has been turned into an exercise in banality.

      Yep the folkk on CHB, RR and a host of other websites have opinions concerning this current flap, but how many of them will contact their Congressional District reps or their two Senators to voice a complaint either by email, snail mail or a simple telephone call to their offices. I do so all the time and for the most part feel ineffective, especially when I get letters from their offices thanking me for my input while always doing the opposite of what’s good for the nation and the people they represent. It’s seemingly an exercise in futility and they’ve ‘got us’…!

      The only way this ongoing freedom destructive nonsense will stop is for a national calamity to occur; I.E., the impending financial breakdown, solar flares destroying transformer farms nationwide, causing a shutdown in infrastructure, and asteroid incoming, striking America’s central states, a Yellowstone calder

  4. Ok, the NSA is spying on foreign nations, if memory serves that is part of their Charter. A Charter approved by Congress some 50 or 60 years ago.

    This speaks nothing of every nation spying on everyone else, how else do you think you learn that they really are your friend and you keep spying on them to keep trusting them. If you do not think that your nation does not spy on other nations, both friend and foe alike, then you need to do some deep, dark research.

    Just take a look at history, friend has always spied on friend, because tomorrow your friend may attack you.

    • Ooops miss-spoke, Congress did not approve the charter it was President Truman that signed the Memorandum creating what would become the NSA.

  5. Because we are America…The bestest and brightest democracy-bringers this planet has ever seen. We are the lone beacon of hope and salvation in a world of darkness and evil. We are so special that we’re almost unworthy of ourselves.

    If you don’t like it we’ll bomb you until you love our freedom as much as we do.

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