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Wednesday, August 17, 2022

Ron Paul flies first class and sticks taxpayers with the tab

Ron Paul: Living large at taxpayer expense

Texas Congressman Ron Paul, the GOP presidential candidate who rants and rails against government waste, doesn’t mind sticking it to taxpayers when it comes to his own comfort.

The Associated Press discovered Paul billed taxpayers 52 grand for traveling by air between Washington and his Congressional district since May 2009, flying first class on at least 31 round trip flights and another dozen one-way trips.

As a Congressman, Paul qualifies for a low government rate if he purchases the cheaper economy tickets but chooses instead to shell out double that amount for full-fare, fully-refundable tickets, that — among other things — gives him a better shot at an upgrade to first class.

“We always get him full refundable tickets since the congressional schedule sometimes changes quickly,” Paul’s chief of staff, Jeff Deist, told the AP.

But the AP compared Paul’s travel schedule and the House’s schedule and found the Congressman rarely changes his flights and the tickets are normally purchased at least two-weeks in advance, which would qualify for the lower fare.

Paul, in his campaign propaganda, claims he is “the most frugal and serious deficit hawk” in Congress.

Not so, a former campaign aide tells Capitol Hill Blue.

“Dr. Paul likes to fly first class,” the aide said.  “He gets downright pissy if he has to fly back in coach.”

In Washington, there’s an old saying that “money talks and bullshit walks.”

Step carefully, folks.  The good doctor is leaving a lot of smelly stuff in his wake.

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50 thoughts on “Ron Paul flies first class and sticks taxpayers with the tab”

    • Thanks Hal for the link concerning Congressman Paul’s fine publications. In fact I own all of them and keep them next to the head along with a pile of my favorite ‘girly’ magazines.

      It never ceases to amaze me as to how spot-on Ron’s prognostications have been over the years in light of where were at today as a nation. 😀

      In all seriousness I do own some of his publication concerning “The New Money” etc. I’ve also purchased gold coins and silver from his coin company back in the late 80’s and early 90’s. It was probably one of the most pleasant and reputable coin transactons I’ve ever made by registered mail. Very professional and smooth.

      Regardless of the negativity towards the man, I like the guy. He kinda reminds of a prophet of old. While the natives are partying hearty and worshipping their “Golden Calf” in the valley below, he’s busy up on the mountain taking commandments for the reinsitution of a freer and more vital American society. Hopefully soon a miracle will happen and he’ll miraculously be nominated to oppose our current ‘usurper in chief’.

      Doncha all love that synthetic, phony lear in Mitt’s eyes as that of a wolf surveying his flock of soon to be eaten ‘sheep’.


      “A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves”…Edward R. Murrow


      Carl Nemo **==

      • Doncha all love that synthetic, phony lear in Mitt’s eyes as that of a wolf surveying his flock of soon to be eaten ‘sheep’.

        Carl – take a look at this:
        Bottom right corner of the ‘corporate’ box. Limbaugh, Hannity and pretty much the gamut of ‘conservative’ mouthpieces go out on shows owned by Clear Channel. And Mitt’s old firm Bain has a big chunk of Clear Channel. . . . .

        But let’s talk about some ancient newsletters instead, yeah?

  1. Andrew Sullivan ends his four page Newsweek article, which none of the commenter seem to have read, with:

    If I sound biased, that’s because I am. Biased toward the actual record, not the spin; biased toward a president who has conducted himself with grace and calm under incredible pressure, who has had to manage crises not seen since the Second World War and the Depression, and who as yet has not had a single significant scandal to his name. “To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle,” George Orwell once wrote. What I see in front of my nose is a president whose character, record, and promise remain as grotesquely underappreciated now as they were absurdly hyped in 2008. And I feel confident that sooner rather than later, the American people will come to see his first term from the same calm, sane perspective. And decide to finish what they started.

    Sullivan, by the way, is not some far leftwing whatever.

    I think Obama’s big mistake was having an eight year plan and not making sure he’d have a Democratic House and filibuster proof Senate after the midterms. So all the quarterly plans came to aught, and to make matters worse, he didn’t start running the long game for 2012 the day he was elected.

    Now it looks like we’ll never know what the country would have looked like if Obama had two terms with a Democratic US Congress.

    Go ahead, read Andrew Sullivan and see what you think.

  2. Carl,

    He is the only one at least talking about doing his best to stop our business as usual paradigm that is most definitely going to precipitate into one of the worst crises in modern times, not only for the U.S., but the world at large, first of a financial nature which in somes cases can precipitate world wars.

    Okay, Carl…what can I say that I already haven’t?
    You believe what you have to believe.
    You gotta do what ya gotta do.
    Let’s all just continue to do what we’ve been taught to do and that is to preserve a broken system that defies us to take action against it.
    You believe Ron Paul will undo the broken system…alrighty then.

    • Hi Gregg,

      I’m simply questioning you as to what you might recommend we should do as voters.

      You could be as right as I’m wrong about the guy.

      I’m not testing you, but do respect your intelligence and contributions to the site, so what is it we can do to make the necessary changes to save our nation? Yep, it’s our nation, not the Globalists r’ us crowd, the PRC or anyone elses, but the sovereign nationstate entity known as the United States of America, our national home and it’s all we’ve got. We’ve got to make some collective effort to save it from the “moneychangers in the temple” or we’re soon to become as slugs under the noonday sun. Believe it…!

      Carl Nemo **==

      • Hey Carl –

        We’ve got to make some collective effort to save it from the “moneychangers in the temple” or we’re soon to become as slugs under the noonday sun. Believe it…!

        If you’re serious about that, Romney’s gotta be your man. I mean, just look at his top three campaign contributors:
        Goldman Sachs,
        Credit Suisse,
        Morgan Stanley

        As opposed to this Paul jerk who just wants to endanger America. His top three:
        US Army,
        US Air Force,
        US Navy

        So who’s he trying to kid? At least with Doug and others giving him the kicking he deserves, there’s a chance America can be made great again!

        Seriously though – those with no answers other than ‘it’s the system’ should probably just get out of the way. Returning the control of the money supply to the People and their government is the real – and only – solution. The Federal Reserve must be made to leave the temple.

        • Thanks Frank for the stats. Wow is all I can say! Obviously we know who’ll control Mitt post winning the Presidency; I.E., more of the same in spades and worse for sure. : (

          Carl Nemo **==

      • Carl…

        Stop thinking and behaving like the status quo system wants us all to do.

        Either the system is broken…or it’s not.

  3. It’s completely unbelievable to me that it’s remotely possible, in this day and age, for an intelligent person residing in the United States of America, to believe, trust, endorse, or vote for any incumbent politician.
    Ron Paul has been in the game since 1976. He is one of the most controversial politicians of his time.
    He comes with tons of baggage. For instance, this is hot off the press:
    His message today is simple. Government’s bad. How long has it taken you to figure that out without his offering that piece of information? Because it’s bad, he would like to gut government. Common sense should tell you…that’s just not going to happen. I don’t care how much experience he has in Washington, gutting the government as he suggests is nothing more than a great hunk of emotional candy to set off a nation who is worn out from bad government.
    He’ll end the war in Afghanistan.
    Yadda, yadda, yadda, yadda, yadda.
    We have a check and balance system of government. Most members of these branches don’t at all think like Ron Paul. But if they did, we wouldn’t be having this type of discussion regarding Paul’s ideas about how to play the role of President, his beliefs and values.
    There’s a fair chance we wouldn’t be having a discussion about anything over the Internet if all political figures believes about so many social issues as does Ron Paul.
    Our system of government, as it is today, won’t allow the types of actions and autonomy that Ron Paul tells you that he’ll pursue.
    I can’t believe that it’s so impossible for so many people to believe that Ron Paul is “owned” just like all of the rest.
    The discussions flying around in every forum on the Internet is about supporting the same Status Quo system that’s held power for decades. And it’s growing exponentially.
    The Demopublican’s aren’t your friend, nor will they act in your best interests. I don’t care who they are, are what they claim.
    These folks have had 250 years to learn how to tell you exactly what you want to hear.
    Welp, everybody is still listening…and believing, and hoping…doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.
    Good Luck…

    • “It’s completely unbelievable to me that it’s remotely possible, in this day and age, for an intelligent person residing in the United States of America, to believe, trust, endorse, or vote for any incumbent politician.” …extract from post

      Solid analysis Gregg concerning candidate Paul and if so as you propose, who does one vote for in these extremely dangerous and challenging times for the Republic?

      He is the only one at least talking about doing his best to stop our business as usual paradigm that is most definitely going to precipitate into one of the worst crises in modern times, not only for the U.S., but the world at large, first of a financial nature which in somes cases can precipitate world wars.

      Is Romney, Newt, Santorum or another term for Obama the answer? 😕

      Should Americans “dare to be great” and risk at least one term for someone that has a plan to restore America to some semblance of respectibility in the world?

      If he can’t do so, then there will be another election in four years providing Americans haven’t foolishly voted for one of the business a usual guys, leading us to “Armadeggon” for America.

      Carl Nemo **==

      • We dared to be great!!!

        thus, we have Change-You-Can-Believe-In… or something such as that if I heard it right, when the chickens come home to roost and the creek’s don’t rise, and then there’s the manchurian thing, without a doubt, and the penny we save will be the end of us all, unless I miss my guess, whereupon we’ll all get to live in the yellow submarine.

        All together now…

  4. Let’s see, remember B.O.’s NY date night in 2009? The Washing Times estimated that one night cost taxpayers $400,000. So Dr. Paul has traveled for THREE YEARS for $52,000. He in the same time RETURNED $330,000 of his congressional budget ($90,000 in 2009, $100,000 in 2010, $140,000 in 2011). While B.O. has raised the National Debt 4 TRILLION in the same three years. Dr. Paul has opted out of the congressional pension plan as he feels it is not ethical. As a physician he never charged taxpayers with Medicare or Medicaid, but instead treated impoverished patients FOR FREE. How far does the biased media need to dog to try to smear the ONE and ONLY honest man in Washington?

  5. He’s tone deaf to not pay the differential between economy and first class. Why is he giving his opponents something to carp over? This is only news because he used his congressional budget to pay.

    It made the news when Romney flew economy. How naive do you have to be to see that this was a political ploy?

    I flew first class for the first time in my life last month round trip Boston to Portland, Oregon. Even on the comparatively small Alaska Airlines 737-800 I have to say I was spoiled by the reasonably comfortable seats, pretty good free food, and the inspiring lap dance from Duke, one of the himbo flight attendants. I wanted Dolly but Duke thought I was irresistible and he actually put $20 in my undies.

    Since my current plan at age 68 – happy birthday to me today by the way – is to die broke, I figure I might as well live the luxe life. So there I sat as the only retired person far as I could tell with 13 business men on my 7 AM flight, all drinking two or three (or more) cocktails. There was a couple flying first class who looked like she was there with her husband only because she was too large for an economy seat.

    I have a bigger issue with our public servants flying on posh corporate jets, even when they pay their share the flight, because that is a perk ( or bribe) well beyond flying first class on a commercial jet.

    Yes, folks, that’s what this the Republican primary has come down to. A comedy. I will vote for Obama – that is unless he runs against Stephen Colbert. My vote goes to Obama pretty much for the reasons Andrew Sullivan explains in this weeks News Week cover article: “How Obama’s Long Game Will Outsmart His Critics”.

    I have trouble writing a totally serious comment about this silly season. Sorry Doug, I am coming out of two years of grieving and maybe have gone a little over the edge by not being able to take much more than existential issues of life and death seriously.

    I suggest the political coup, albeit a risky dirty trick if exposed, of all time for Ron Paul: He sets up a flight with a ringer passenger who is about to give birth, and he delivers the baby, preferably a high risk cesarian or breech, where he saves the life of mother and child.

    • Since my current plan at age 68 – happy birthday to me today by the way – is to die broke, I figure I might as well live the luxe life.

      Jesus, you’re that old? Hal, though I don’t know you from Adam here’s wishing you many more. 😉

    • Wishing you a happy belated birthday Hal Brown 2012. : )

      As you should know by now, I always enjoy your inciteful commentary to CHB. At one time you were a featured contributor, but you’re doing great with just your driveby contributions.

      I hope you enjoyed your short stay in the Pacific Northwest too. We’re headed for a couple of days of unusually heavy, snowy weather. It’s generally a well-moderated marine environment, but occasionally we get taken out by a ‘gift’ from Alaska, known as an “Arctic Express”.

      Enjoy your day and may you have many more b-days to come. : )

      Best regards,

      Carl Nemo **==

    • “He sets up a flight with a ringer passenger who is about to give birth, and he delivers the baby”

      Cute. But the airlines won’t let you fly if you’re that close to giving birth. Or at least they’re not supposed to.


  6. OMG. What a load of crap! Not all of us worship at the trough of the great Dr. Paul. Over the years I have searched for and reported a whole load of warts on his person. But he has an important message to send to America.

    Remember Chief, I was a supporter of Ross Perot. Again it was his message that needed to be sent. His personality did him in. I remember when Speaker Gingrich carried a marvellous message on the purpose of the federal government. Many people found fault with him for not keeping his pants on and it finally did him in. He had to commit to Jesus in a big way to get over his own madness. They write operas about men like Gingrich. Wagner would have had a field day with his dialog alone.

    Had Dr. Paul run as a Libertarian he would have stayed away from the social issues and simply been anti-war. He was drawn into the religious agenda of the GOP and lost many of his supporters. His greatest enemy would be the House and Senate and until we change the attitude and the piety of the House, Paul would be tarred and feathered.

    Speaker Pelosi flew first class the whole time she held that position. Dr. Paul has many enemies among the crazy GOP as he has exposed a lot of hypocrisy. God could tell any one of them to kill Paul. I wouldn’t want to fly with him.

  7. Ron Paul that odd little old man is nothing more then an automaton that has been programmed to respond to any outside stimuli coming from his Paulite followers. It is then filtered thru his delusional prism of constitutionality and liberty all while being surrounded by white racist supremacists, outright bigots and loony bin conspiracy theorists. Indeed Ron Paul continually appears befuddled as if he’s in an episode of the outer limits. His partisan Paulite followers, they control the vertical, they control the horizontal.


  8. Woody188 and Frank Verismo, thank you both for your comments. I couldn’t agree with you both any more if I tried. It’s nice to know there are sensible people left in this nation.

    As for the piece we are commenting on:
    Just let me …

    Oh my, he flew first class. (sarc)

    You know what else he’s done?

    Voted against the Patriot Act
    Voted against the Iraq War
    Voted against the Wall St. Bailouts
    Wants to repeal the 1973 War Powers Act
    Wants to repeal the Patriot Act
    Wants to end the Federal Reserve
    Wants to end the IRS

    He does not want war with Iran, does not want to send any more US soldiers to die for oil or Israel’s security and wants to end ALL foreign aid to ALL nations which currently receive US taxpayer money, keeping the money in the US.

    And because he flies first class everyone should reconsider their support for him?

    How do the “other” candidates stand on these aforementioned issues?

    That’s what I thought.

    • Quiet Eve, you’ll ruin my reputation as a crazy “Paulite” if you keep calling me sensible. 😉

      It seems most of Ron Paul’s opposition uses private jets. They wouldn’t dare fly with the chattel, even in first class.

      Romney – $369,848.75 on air travel, $233,812 of which was on private flights, although the NYTimes claims, “(Mr. Romney)…is obsessed with scoring cheap flights on the discount airline JetBlue.”

      Gingrich – Owes $451,946 to Moby Dick Airways for private flights, plus some $30,000 in airline tickets

      Santorum – Used Walmart’s private jet to visit the ailing Terri Schiavo. He chides Romney’s use of a private jet, but as Senator he secured $3.5 million for Piasecki Aircraft, for which the Piasecki family donated more than $16,000 to Mr. Santorum’s campaign in 2006.

      Perry – took more than 200 flights, worth $1.3 million, in private planes in his 11 years as governor

      • I love it. Ron Paul — the man that you folks claim is so different, so honest and so saintly — gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar and the only defense you can come up with is that “well, shucks, others do it and they do it far worse.”

        You can’t be a little big pregnant folks. If Saint Paul does the same thing as the others, then he can’t be the “different” politician that you claim.

        • Sorry, I was not defending Paul. Just seeing how everyone compares on the topic of airline travel/wasted taxpayer dollars since CHB brought it up.

          I’ve simply made a comparison of facts. Didn’t see the need to list Paul since the author had that covered. One might not get hit by Paul supporters so bad if one balanced their articles to show how each candidate compares. I think that used to be called reporting or journalism?

          What’s one-sided reporting called again?

          Could we see some articles on a topic and show how the candidates compare/contrast to one another? Is that too much to ask?

          Or is it just easier to read what others report and make it your own? Is it any wonder we think CHB is pulling it’s articles from AP without citing them?

          The Associated Press, Reuters, ABC News, Politico and even the ultra-conservative Wall Street Journal are writing similar stories.

          Eerily similar how every media outlet concentrates on Ron Paul’s air travel and it takes someone like me to look up the rest of them on their own. So are you guys just plagiarizing each other and too lazy to do the real legwork or what?

          It’s funny how often I get accused of being a “Paulite” when in truth all I am defending is journalism and honesty.

  9. Hey where’s the story about Mitt Romney handing out $60 bucks to some ‘needy’ female panhandler on the ropeline earlier today as aired on Yahoo News. She also admitted working for his campaign since his coming to town. Her act seemed orhestrated to me and possibly she had to give the $60 back to this mattoid on the make. Again, she seemed like a ‘plant’, but seemingly Mitt is the fair-haired pick for this site. IMO Mitt’s antics and his gesture was as phony as a ‘blue three dollar bill’.
    I thought publicly buying votes is classed as illegal activity…? / : |

    I realize this story is about Congressman Paul using first class passage to which he’s entitled if he so chooses. Everytime Air Force One leaves the tarmack it costs the U.S. taxpayer a million bucks which includes his entourage of hangers on; I.E., political parasites, newspeople and SS protection etc. not including any layovers etc….! Total cost to taxpayers is mind-boggling on an annualized basis. Ah the cost an ‘Imperial Presidency’…no?

    I’ve been on the site for about six years and have never witnessed such a dogged, mindless attack on a single candidate and I don’t care how many other stories are referenced as providing ‘equal abuse to all’ which is bullsh*t once comparative content is analyzed.

    It’s obvious the site host and his staff do have bias and are pushing this anti-Ron Paul issue to the envelope with this immediate followup story to the one about Paul looking everso fatigued. Do you think you’ll bludgeon your readership into submission with this less than fair and balanced reporting…? /:|

    So now you dredge up some perceived ill useage of first class airfare. You ought to dig into Nancy Pelosi or Diane Feinstein et al.’s taxpayer abuse by providing spendy transporation to no doubt hundreds of other Congressional members.

    I once respected the site host, Doug Thompson and this venue as being a non-partisan forum, but lately I’m beginning to have my doubts. Yeah we know, it’s your site and you’ll use it as your bloody pulpit if you so choose, but then it’s no longer a news forum, but something you loathe; I.E., a blog…no?

    Lately the host’s immediate comeback to pro-Paul supporters almost have the same ‘whiny nature’ of the likes of a Bill Cravener with his juvenile replies to fellow posters.

    It’s tragic to what a low, metric this site has now degenerated over Ron Paul’s candidacy. : |

    Carl Nemo **==

    • I’ll make you a deal Carl. You and the others here stop bombarding the comments section with all the spam about what a saint and savior Ron Paul is and we will stop balancing that out with some facts about his money-grubbing, hypocritical con games.

      You want balance? Then start applying the same yardstick to Paul that you apply with so much glee to the others. When I see that I’ll call off the dogs.

      Oh, wait a minute. I forgot the rules. Any candidate is fair game except for Saint Paul. He cannot be questioned, he cannot be held accountable, he cannot be vetted. He is untouchable.

      Wrong. I don’t publish this site to gain the respect or approval of any partisan or any candidate. I don’t lose a microsecond of sleep if what we publish drives up the blood pressure of the Ron Paul faithful or those who support other crooks like Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, Rick Perry, Michelle Bachmann, Jon Huntsman, Barack Obama, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, et al.

      You may see Ron Paul as a savior. I do not. I see him as just another crooked politician in a system that rewards hucksters, phonies and hypocrites.

      • A system you supported and benefited from for many years.

        If this is the worst of his “sins,” I’ll take it.

        • You’re right. I did benefit from that system. It’s a failing that I’ve apologized for many times over. That’s one of the reasons why I dedicated what’s left of my life to exposing it for what it is.

          • Perspective, Doug. Even after all this lavish spending on first-classs flights, Paul still manages to return seventy-five to a hundred thousand dollars of his unspent office budget back to the US Treasury on a yearly basis.

            This money is already budgeted for his expenses, so “sticking” the taxpayer with the tab on some thing as inconsequential (in the grand scheme of things)as airplane travel, and the ridiculous attention being given it (not to mention all the other trivial nonsense concerning all candidates) is just bullshit, plain and simple.

            There are far more important issues facing this country.

            War without end.
            Poverty (right here in America, folks!).
            Civil liberties.

            This great land of ours! And the important story of the day is this?

            • You’re right that it is important to keep things in perspective. Yes, the money is budgeted but it can also be returned if unspent (several members of Congress did so, including two I worked for). I find it hypocritical to preach financial austerity on one hand and not practice it on the other.

              Too many questions, in my opinion, remain unanswered about Ron Paul. His lack of candor about the newsletter, the banking of the millions from those newsletters he claimed he never read.

              I can cherry pick issues from most candidates that deserve support but we need to look at the overall candidate. Is he or she honest. I don’t believe Paul is honest. Can he or she be trusted? I don’t believe he can. I have yet to find a candidate, Democrat or Republican, in this year’s race that I — as publisher of this web site — believe is worthy of the Presidency. I don’t accept the rationale that holding one’s nose and voting for the dog with the least fleas serves democracy or the nation.

              • I don’t accept the rationale that holding one’s nose and voting for the dog with the least fleas serves democracy or the nation.

                Sadly you are correct Doug and I hate myself each time I’ve done so.

              • Do you feel that you should be continually held over the fire for things you’ve done twenty years ago? To use your newsletter logic, we shouldn’t really take any thing you say too seriously either.

                And then, of course, do any of these things have any bearing on policy positions, how they differ from the rest of the field (not to mention Obama’s), and whether these policies will improve our crumbling nation.

                Those are important to me, and many of the “cult-like” followers of Paul and believers in those policies.

      • “I’ll make you a deal Carl. You and the others here stop bombarding the comments section with all the spam about what a saint and savior Ron Paul is and we will stop balancing that out with some facts about his money-grubbing, hypocritical con games.” …extract from reply


        Spam is the use of electronic messaging systems (including most broadcast media, digital delivery systems) to send unsolicited bulk messages indiscriminately. While the most widely recognized form of spam is e-mail spam, the term is applied to similar abuses in other media: instant messaging spam, Usenet newsgroup spam, Web search engine spam, spam in blogs, wiki spam, online classified ads spam, mobile phone messaging spam, Internet forum spam, junk fax transmissions, social networking spam, television advertising and file sharing network spam.” …definition of SPAM per Wiki


        You are running a news forum providing the opportunity for regular folks to make comments. We are not ‘spamming’ your site. We are simply sharing opinions and responding to your proferred medium for such exchange.


        So this is what you think of the people that grace your site with their mostly well thought commentary whether it be of that related to Ron Paul or other issues? These are the same people that provides you with the necessary volume for a decent income to maintain your site through ‘clicks for $$’ so you can maintain your bully pulpit?

        I think you owe your readership an apology for finally losing a grip on yourself relative to the order of things and what you profess CHB to be.

        Tell you what good buddy! Get a bucket of water and plunge your bare foot and lower leg through the surface then pull it out and watch what happens as the surface closes back upon itself, soon to be still again. This surface phenomonen is a reflection of your imagined indispensibility to politics, the www and nature in general. None of us are all that. You need us, we don’t need you in the final analysis. Somewhere along the line you’ve lost your steerage and a healthy sense of humility.

        Maybe it’s time to bag CHB.

        I rest my case.

        Carl Nemo **==

        • You’re not the one who has to wade through the messages created from the same IP address and all containing the same canned language. You’re not the one who sees the efforts of carefully-orchestrated stuffing of online polls to skew the results in favor of a fringe candidate. That is spam and it happens to anyone who dares defy the Ron Paul cultists.

          The only apology you will ever see from me is to the sane readers who are driven away when this place became a haven to conspiracy theorists and the Ron Paul Kool-Aid drinkers.

          • Based on this typical ‘hard-headed’ Doug Thompson reply, I see you simply don’t “get it”.

            I realize you get genuinely SPAMMED that requires filtering on your part, but the regulars that make comments to your forum over a long period of time do have something of merit to say, but seemingly you want to puppeteer the disucssion towards that which makes you feel well about your preconceived notions on politics and as to ‘how the world turns’…no? Unfortunately when weighed against my knowledge base you are operating with a bucket on your head. You’re phase-locked in the halcion days of your D.C. past as being your boundary post, resulting in one size fits all when it comes to politicians and evidently regular citizens in particular, an example terminal cynicism.

            Of late, particulary with your not so magnificent obsession with Ron Paul you write with anger and contention rather than any amount of erudition which is the sign a ‘crank’.

            If anyone is disappointed with your campaign related editorials, comentary, retorts etc., it’s me. / : |


            “There is nothing worse than aggressive stupidity”…Johann Wolfgang von Goethe


            Carl Nemo **==

            • You’re welcome to your opinion but don’t pretend for one second to have the foggiest notion of what drives me or this web site. When I was flogging Obama for his questionable ties to Tony Resko in the 2008 campaign or Bill Clinton for his moral and ethical lapses in the 1990s, I caught the same kind of hell from the followers of both. The same for the George W. Bush’s ilk.

              As I recall, your “knowledge base” in the past has included speculation that I had been co-opted by some media conglomerate or even speculation that I had been replaced by a clone. I don’t think you want to get into a comparison of knowledge about the political system or how it works.

              It’s simply Paul’s turn in front of the firing squad, no more, no less. Next month it will be someone else. That’s the way things work here.

              Paul is no different than the other cast of losers in the GOP field but partisans can’t see that.

              Perhaps if you didn’t end some of your posts with:

              ***** Ron Paul for President 2012! *****

              I might be able to think that you are actually taking an objective look but that kind of hyperbole only showcases your bias.

              Yes, I have a bias against ALL candidates. I don’t see a one that’s worthy of running for dogcatcher, much less President.

              You consider my responses anger? You’ve got even more to learn than I thought. You haven’t seen anger. If you’re lucky, you never will.

              In fact, I find the whole thing sadly laughable. Ron Paul supporters are so easy to infuriate. It’s too easy to mess with their heads. Don’t worry. I’ll tire of that game and move on to other deserving prey. That’s the beauty of this job.

              We’re not the only ones reporting on the problems dogging Paul. A search of Google News finds more than 500 stories about there about the first class air travel and several thousand about his newsletters and Google’s news database only goes back 30 days. The Associated Press, Reuters, ABC News, Politico and even the ultra-conservative Wall Street Journal are writing similar stories. The Paul cheering section wanted the media to pay more attention to their boy. Well, they are.

              • “You consider my responses anger? You’ve got even more to learn than I thought. You haven’t seen anger. If you’re lucky, you never will.” …extract from reply

                I know, you’ve mentioned to me how you keep your local dentist employed by knocking people’s teeth out. Yeah…I know…’they swung first’, the question is why so…? / : |

                This discussional has moved into the ‘twilight zone’. I’m not going to convince you as to how your editorials read of late. I compliment you when they’re good to great, but lately, they’ve come far and few between as opposed to better times on CHB.

                I’m going to cease and desist on this discussion. It’s your site vessel, you’re the Captain, myself an others simply passengers.


                Carl Nemo **==

                • If you’re going to try and quote me Carl, at least try to get the quotes right. What I said was that “if anyone is stupid enough to confront me in person and get in my face they better have a good dental plan.”

                  The comment was in reference to a Sarah Palin fan who confronted me in front of a restaurant and made the mistake of taking a swing at me. He missed. I didn’t. He lost two teeth and took nourishment through a straw until his broken jaw healed.

                  Of course that was a few years ago and I’ve mellowed since then. 🙂

                  • Never forget something my friend in thought. We might have dustups on this site occasionally, but I value your efforts via your CHB news forum along with your monumental efforts to maintain this site along with others in your www domain. I simply don’t know how you can do so in light of what you’ve been through concerning medical and personal problems. I guess it’s “your thing” and you’ve done a bangup job over the years. Congrats!

                    In fact life is quite boring if once in a while the tables aren’t overturned and a few beer bottles broken, hopefully over no one’s head; but still we all be friends in thought…no? : D

                    Carl Nemo **==

      • I don’t lose a microsecond of sleep if what we publish drives up the blood pressure of the Ron Paul faithful or those who support other crooks

        If only ‘blood pressure’ was the issue. What started out as mildly baffling is now rapidly becoming tragic. “When you’re in a hole . . . .”

        Perhaps it’s time to put that shovel down, Doug.

        • The shovel stays right where it is. I’ll still be using it when Ron Paul is just a bad memory in the history of political bile and the rest of you have found another false prophet to genuflect to.

  10. So I am not supposed to vote for the guy who actually would cut spending, who actually understands the debt problem and who actually would stop the mindless wars and constant destruction of innocent human life because…he flies first class? Seriously?

    I wish I lived in a country where this would qualify as a scandal, but after 19 years of Clinton, Bush, and Obama crime scandals exploding on an almost weekly basis that ship has sailed.

  11. Why did you not tell us what the average congress member spends in flights and what class they fly?

    If the focus is on spending, why not tell us how Paul stacks up in total spending by candidate?

    How many congress members reject the Congressional Retirement Plan like Paul does?

    How many congress members return a portion of their budget each year?

  12. “Ron Paul’s 2012 campaign is embroiled in another ‘scandal.’ This time, it stems from an Associated Press report that stated Paul spent money on first class tickets for 31 round-trips and 12 one-way flights since May 2009.

    “Paul was flying between Washington and his district in Texas.

    “This article became widely cited and the general tone is that Paul, a fiscal conservative, is hypocritical by spending taxpayer money to fly first class.

    “But is Paul really a big spender of taxpayer money?

    “Paul supporters like to point out that his House office runs a budget surplus and returns unspent office funds to the U.S. Treasury. These funds are then used to pay down the U.S. national debt.

    ‘Since my first year in Congress I have managed my office in a frugal manner, instructing staff to provide the greatest possible service to the people of the 14th District at the least possible cost to taxpayers,’ stated Paul.

    “But how does Paul’s spending compare with other members of Congress?

    “I went to the Sunlight Foundation’s House Expenditure Reports Database and downloaded its report for the 2010 calendar year.

    “In that year, Paul spent $56,000 on travel expenses, which makes him the 178th biggest travel spender in Congress. In contrast, the top spender on travel, Don Young, R-Alaska, dropped $234,000.

    “As for overall spending (the Sunlight Foundation includes the categories of franked mail, personnel compensation, travel, rent, printing, supplies, equipment and other services), Paul shelled out $1.37 million, which places him 232nd.

    “This compares to the $1.66 million spent by then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi, R-Calif., the top overall spender for 2010.

    “Paul’s spending as a congressman, therefore, seems middle-of-the-pack – not scandalous – as some articles are implying.”

    Source: Ron Paul 2012: About Those First Class Flights…, by Hao Li, International Business Times, 16 Jan 2012

  13. Woody –

    I guess they can take it out of the Congressional pay he returns every year.

    ‘Nuff said. Another DOA hit piece from CHB.

    As to your link, I think it can be summed up thus:

    You’re either with us or you’re against us
    You’re either for the continued destruction of America or you’re an isolationist.

    Let’s keep kicking that meme where it hurts.

  14. Found an interesting piece for our ongoing discussion on isolationism versus non-interventionism. I couldn’t find our prior thread.

    I wouldn’t fly even I could fly first class. I hate the TSA and consider them all anti-American. I will not work for TSA or TSA employees nor will I befriend them. I’d rather get up and leave instead of share a room with them. I don’t care if it’s the only job they could find. They don’t get any sympathy from me.

    Do I care if Ron Paul flies first class? Did he do so while getting an all expenses paid trip to Israel? I guess they can take it out of the Congressional pay he returns every year.

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