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Wednesday, June 19, 2024

TSA or T&A?

Pat-down: Careful where you pat G-woman

The Transportation Safety Administration (TSA) — which has been a joke since it was formed in the post-11 frenzy — is at it again, implementing new “pat-down” search techniques  that — in effect —  allow the rent-a-cops at airport security checkpoints to cop a feel of airline passengers.

Call it another example of government overreaction, an abuse of authority or even a violation of civil rights. It just adds one more reason to avoid flying commercial airlines out of U.S. airports. When added to the full body scanners and other trends it means nothing — and we do mean nothing — escapes the prying eyes of our government.

Bruce Schneier, a Minneapolis security technology expert and longtime critic of the TSA, told The Associated Press that the new procedures “are particularly invasive. It’s strip-searching. It’s body groping. As abhorrent goes, this pegs it.”

The “enhanced” past-down techniques allow the security personal to but their hands up into places where only spouses, girlfriends or mistresses are allowed. It’s also spawned a new generation of euphemisms for describing the sexual regions of men and women.

At the San Diego airport, John Tyner, who taped his encounter with the new search techniques, told the TSA officers that he he “if you touch my junk, I’m gonna have you arrested.”

There are a number of less-than-direct ways to describe the parts of the male anatomy that hang between the legs:  package, family jewels, Johnson, manhood, etc.

For women, the problem is two fold: They have two regions on the body where the probing hands of strangers should not venture.

Complaints about the new procedures have flooding the offices of the Federal Aviation Administration, Senators, the White House and media outlets.

Patricia Lederer of Kansas City says a male TSA fondled her breasts and rubbed her vagina in a sexually-suggestive way.

Another female passenger, who asked that her name not be used, said she was “nearly turned on” by a female TSA officer’s manipulation of her pubic area.

“I was trying to get home, not get laid,” she added.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says that while she sees the need for extra security, she wouldn’t want to go through the pat downs.

“Not if I could avoid it,” Clinton said on Sunday’s CBS Evening News. “Who would?”

Odds or, Clinton won’t be felt up by an over zealous TSA mauler.  The agency says pilots in uniform and with valid ID won’t be subject to the searches.  Neither will Congressional leaders or other top public officials like, say, a Secretary of State.

Daniel Landon, a Canadian traveling in the U.S. said a female TSA employee got downright friendly with him.

“Ordinarily, I would not object to a woman rubbing my cock and balls,” Landon said. “But this woman weighed about 300 pounds and smelled.  That was a major turnoff.”

Appearing on CNN‘s , “State of the Union” over the weekend, TXA chief said the searches would not be reduced or modified but softed his tone by Sunday afternoon, saying “there is a continual process of refinement and adjustment to ensure that best practices are applied.”

My wife and I stopped flying five years ago because air travel had become more trouble than it was worth and we hated the “cattle car” atmosphere.  I walked away from more than a million frequent flier miles with several airlines.

My wife saw what was coming first. On one trip she was singled out for the “extra security,” which included removing shoes and socks and undoing the belt of her jeans so they could examine the waistband.

“Usually, I get dinner first,” my wife cracked as she undid her belt.

The TSA agent didn’t laugh.

Neither are we.

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35 thoughts on “TSA or T&A?”

  1. The liiving, rarely if ever think of the dead, as they too will be, much less lofty, “earth plane” ideals such as “freedom” etc.

    Seemingly the maintenance of a personal, self-cognitive existence relative to animal based ‘creature comforts’ is far more important than arcane civil based concepts such as freedom for all…no?

    Carl Nemo **==

  2. Had a history professor in college ask the class why we had a Bill of Rights in our Constitution. The immediate answer from a deluded neophyte was “because we believe in the rights of others.” WRONG said the professor. we have a Bill of Rights BECAUSE WE DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS.

    What I never anticipated those many years ago was the Orwellian concept of most citizens not believing in their own rights. Take us back several centuries and most of the people in the 13 colonies would probably have assured His Majesty that Patrick Henry, Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, et al were just rabble-rousers trying to undermine the silent majority of spineless subjects of the Crown.

    Flying in aircraft is not a right, but in attempting to exercise the priviledge of flying one still has rights that are only relinquished voluntarily. This of course sets the precedent for the government to push the envelope in the future to ensure subservience to the state in all things.

    I’m not sure if it was Churchill or not, but trading freedom for security results in losing both. Many years ago Milton Friedman warned that the greatest threat to freedom was not communism or socialism, but bureacracy. The TSA is a prime example of this.

    Travelers today are told that if they want to fly they have to let Uncle Sam play with their b……sorry, I meant travelers must play ball with Uncle Sam. Problem is, Uncle Sam seems to have buried Abraham Lincoln with his hertical view that a government should be of, by, and for the people.

    • Great thoughts Fivebyfives and never more appropriate than on the eve of our national day of “Thanksgiving’.

      It is my wish this holiday that people take time to do some serious “thinking” as to where “they’ and the nation is headed. If you feel siimply uncomfortable to flat outrage, then you need to start relentlessly hammering your Congressmen that you want Homeland Security reined in along with its subsidiary agencies such as TSA et al.

      Put “gay rights”, illegal aliens, and a host of other inconsequental issues on hold and focus on your core freedoms that truly make T-Day special.
      Once you stop them at the pass so to speak, then we can regroup and take care of these minor issues. Focus! Quit being distracted by the MSM’s relentless bombardment with their mind-numbing “white noise insanity” programming.

      Continual silence on the part of the citizenry will only allow for higher escalations of this trading freedom for safety scam on the part our now corporatist controllers.

      Some tactics would be to miminimize air travel, use video conferencing for business meetings. There’s a host of web services now providing such conferencing and you will plump your bottomline as opposed to lining the airlines pockets. Rest assured by stabbing the airlines in the wallet is probably the most effective method for summary change in a corporatist paradigm. They’ll quickly get their “running dogs” in Congress to modify things for “good of the business”…no?

      The same goes for families. Boycott the airlines, quit wasting your hard earned money on tickets to wherever. Spend the money on a 50” LCD HDTV and watch the travel channel in the comfort of your home or apartment instead of running off to the Vatican, Istanbul, Madrid or wherever to sightsee. You’ll see and learn far more from watching the travel channel and you won’t have sore arches and an upset stomach from questionable restaurant food to boot.

      Thanks again Fivebyfives for the great post and Happy Thanksgiving Day to you and yours along with all our loyal, long term CHB readers and posters. : )

      Carl Nemo **==

      • Thank you Mr. Nemo, and many happy returns to you and yours. Slightly off topic here, but on Thanksgiving it might be worthwile to be reminded that the people around the Margraten Cemetery in the Netherlands “adopt” the graves of fallen U.S. servicement from World War II. There are about 8,000 graves there, and the adopting families place flowers on “their” grave on all American holidays, including Thanksgiving.

        Seems like a custom that could be initiated here, as the C.,S., & Nash song says,” Find the cost of freedom, buried in the ground.”

  3. And then, of course, there is the antidote to it all… the blessings of liberty that each of us must claim and reclaim for ourselves. A quick and thoughtful counterpoint to all the “need” for govt “security”.

    Patrick Henry said it best.

    • Thanks Almandine for what I consider to be a brilliant essay on the part of Lew Rockwell concerning the emergence of the banality of evil within our society; ie,
      our so-called ‘good citizens’ rabidly supporting the defense of the ‘homeland’ (fatherland) trampled rights along with its founding document be damned.

      Happy T-Day to you and yours my friend in thought. : )

      Carl Nemo **==

    • “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government – lest it come to dominate our lives and interests.”

      “I know not what others may choose but, as for me, give me liberty or give me death.”

      “No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue; and by a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles”

      “Fear is the passion of slaves.”

  4. I feel it’s important to put a face on the agents of “tyranny”. I’m supplyiing a vidclip of TSA Director John Pistole airing his views about the new screening methods.

    Needless to say I’m not very impressed with his articulation or line of reasoning. He also considers flying to be a ‘privilege” and not a right. It’s the same with driving on the U.S. highway system in that driving is a privilege and not a right per se. So too, is walking about on sidewalks or along main thoroughfares to and from work, the stores etc.? Is that now a right or a privilege as interpreted by bureaucrats at Homeland Insecurity. Seemingly soon leaving your home without permission from the state will be a privilege in the eyes of the mattoid appointees that interpret these unconstitutional laws passed by our now terminally corrupt Congress.

    Let’s beam back about 75 years in time as Hitler’s Reich emerged along with a host of toady bureaucrat appointees ever enjoying the implementation of the Fuhrer’s orders all of them shouting to the heavens within their dead spirits…”I’ve got the power…I’ve got the power…!? Hopefully post the wreckage of our society and necessary blood that will spilt to reindeminify “freedom and justice for all” these fascist collaborators will be brought to justice. No doubt we’ll hear them too, same as the defendants at Nuremburg state “they were only following orders”…no? / : |

    Carl Nemo **==

  5. And it gets worse than that.

    There are reports of a new DHS/TSA internal classified memo in response to the growing resistance to TSA procedures. This memo states that any person or group that actively opposes TSA’s procedures is now a “Domestic Extremist”, and will be investigated by DHS. No, I’m not kidding. Here’s the link at Canada Free Press.


    • Yup, here’s a PCR article with the same claims. I note today’s AP article claims you can refuse the pat downs, but they fail to mention your new terrorists status and automatic indefinite detention.

  6. Just another rung up (or is it down) on that ladder to a full blown and unashamed police state.

    Now everybody is under suspicion and everybody is a potential enemy of the state; even three year old kids and eighty year old grannies.

    Sadly in this day and age of hi-tech surveillence etc. it is only going to get worse.

    If the good people of American don’t have the T&A abolished then the game is well and truly over.

    Poor fellow America

  7. And of course, once again our omnipotent government completely fails to address the one thing that would really put an end to terrorism – that being the imperialist American global domination.

    These recent words by DHS Secretary Napolitano reveal just how willfully ignorant these bumbling bureaucrats are…

    “The long-term is, how do we get out of this having to have an ever-increasing security apparatus because of terrorists and a terrorist attack?” she said. “I think having a better understanding of what causes someone to become a terrorist will be helpful.”


    Strange how the only countries on the planet that have a terrorist problem happen to be the same countries involved in building the Anglo-American Global Empire.

    So I’m sorry to have to point this out, but our continued acceptance and support of these imperialist endeavors only fuels more resentment abroad, and we Americans should never, ever ignorantly consider ourselves “innocent” victims. We are not. We are party to it.

    Considering all the money (taxpayer) that goes into this security apparatus, the politically connected corporations making fortunes selling all this high-tech spying equipment, and the fact that this government really has no inclination to get to the root of the problem, should we really draw the conclusion that they’re actually interested in stopping terrorism?

  8. To think just a few short years ago, when I would complain about stuff like this I was told sharply, “Civil liberties won’t do you any good if you’re dead”. Unfortunately I do know some folks who would’ve defended this with teeth prior to November 2008, but are some of the loudest to complain about it now.

    For myself, on my last few long trips (as far as Illinois and back) over the last few years, I’ve gone by car. I had so many hassles even before the Patdown Era that the drive got to be easier than flying.

          • Hi Woody,

            You surely don’t have to convince me about creep concerning surveillance of the movement of citizens.

            What’s really surreal about this entire escalation of surveillance is that its linked to making “buck”. Many of our past officials are now high paid lobbyists that represent the companies pushing this surveillance equipment. Sales on equipment are surely more important than indivdual freedom…no?

            I find it fascinating that the concept of an ever-inflating fiat currency scheme on the part of international bankers and financiars would be the ultimate downfall of civilization as we know it. / : |

            Carl Nemo **==

                • Thanks Woody for both the F.A.S.T. and Viper intiative links. It leaves one hushed at how quickly this Homeland ‘Insecurity’/TSA scam is moving along nationwide.

                  Worse they are using our tax debt dollars to buy these hi tech survelliance devices that we can ill afford in these times. Just more money down a government rathole. In spite of all this, genuine terrorists with a grand agenda wouldn’t be so foolish to go through checkpoints, so this leaves these devices simply for societal control and to create police state atmosphere. North Korea is criticized for its brutal surveillance system and they don’t even have the luxury of high tech gadgets such as these.

                  I noticed too in the F.A.S.T. module there’s always the door provided at the end of the unit. No doubt in the future they’ll provide two at opposite ends, one for those they’ll let live another day and the other door, well you know, the one that sends those that don’t pass screening muster to a portable guillotine for termination.

                  People need to get super motivated and proactive and shut this monster down before it gains anymore momentum. It may be too late though since I don’t see anything inspiring coming from our Congressional contingent other than more of the same citizen disrespecting legislation.

                  Jesse Ventura needs to dig into these screening nightmares on one of his upcoming “Conspiracy Theory” shows.

                  Carl Nemo **==

  9. Nobody gives a rats butt less about our core freedoms. Chronic fliers are no different than airborne “mall rats”.

    Here’s a couple of quotes from a Yahoo link that I’m supplying concerning the TSA director whining that folks need to play ball with their newly installed, ripoff scanners courtesy of Chertoff & Co. So to a avoid the groping you must go through the scanner, but just the same it still does not preclude a grope. Rest assured little by little, these low paid troglodytes they hire for airport security will abuse the privilege and no doubt during coffee breaks will be laughing about the last busty, curvy woman they groped and for some of them no doubt saying the same about some young tender lad. Hell physicians and nurses joke while performing surgeries as well as cops on the job. It’s human nature. Nothing good is going to come from these escalating levels of airport security and in the end only the lawyers will get rich sorting the mess out.


    “Whatever keeps the country safe, I just don’t have a problem with,” Leah Martin, 50, of Houston, said as she waited to go through security at the Atlanta airport.”

    At Chicago’s O’Hare Airport, Gehno Sanchez, a 38-year-old from San Francisco who works in marketing, said he doesn’t mind the full-body scans. “I mean, they may make you feel like a criminal for a minute, but I’d rather do that than someone touching me,” he said. …both extracted from following link

    So let’em pat down people til the cows come home. Maybe they’ll all get carpal tunnel elbows and wrists from their job related ‘fun’. Seemingly too, anyone protesting the scanners or the new alternative pat down procedures are considered to be ‘radicals’…say what! / : |


    He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither. …Benjamin Franklin


    Carl Nemo **==

  10. If this clear and present danger of govt-gone-wild doesn’t rouse the public interest enough to reclaim our Liberty – we’re freakin doomed.

    Wake up people… just exactly are your odds of being blown up… compared with your odds of being subjugated? Let me answer: One in 30 million versus 100 to one.

    ZEIG HEIL !!!

    • Needless to say these are my sentiments too Almandine. We’ll probably meet up some day in the “special” internment center slated for termination of anti-TSA radicals. : – ?

      Carl Nemo **==

      • Well then I look forward to meeting you, and possibly sharing a bowl of starvation rations. Sharpen your fire-hardened stick, you’ll be needing it.

  11. It is a lot of nonsense but I’m flying to meet up with my family at Christmas and I will be patted down and groped because I cannot take much more x-rays. I have two metal knees and two metal hips and set-off sirens of dire warning at the airport. There is no train from here to there and I am unable to drive that distance. I always have to remove my shoes and belt and I expect the same thing this holiday.

    As a costumer of many years, I am used to fitting my clothes on others and try to be very careful not to grope or make any action that can be misunderstood. Thre difference is, I’m there to make the actors look fabulous and they know it.

    Today the people are “sue” happy and look for trouble.


  12. Egyptian Air Flight 990. Investigators claim pilot did a suicide crash. 217 dead.

    SilkAir Flight 185. Possible suicide pilot. 104 dead.

    Private pilot crashes his small aircraft into IRS building.

    Massachusetts – Snow Airport having an illegal training other Illegals on small palne operation.

    This is just how freaking stupid this whole TSA joke is. What does it take to load up a Cessna 150 and fly at a few hundred feet right into Fortress Logan and take out a fully loaded heavy right on the tarmac? Or just flying the damn thing into that gas tank in Dorchester? I’m sure the geniuses that run our security are aware of this or maybe not? I’ll probably get a knock on my door and a pat down. Just look above at that issue at Snow. This was a fairly harmless situation since they were Brazilians attempting to get a pilots license that is gold back home. But what if they were not? Have they got cells planning crap like that? Does it take much for a terrorist network to spend the time and effort to get someone trained low end?

  13. Time to call these cretins out for what they really are, a domestic terrorist org. Time for ALL airports to “Opt out” of using these overpaid under-educated morons and go private, they’ll save money in the long run as people will begin to fly more. BOYCOTT any airport that uses TSA’s goons.

    • Hear hear…Keith! Well said and spot-on concerning the TSA having slowly become a domestic terrorist org.

      What’s tragic is our government hasn’t even begun to reach the level of freedom destroying depravity that we will assuredly suffer in the future unless voters get highly activated and start pressuring their elected reps to disassemble this nationwide ‘insecurity’ nightmare including throttling back on Homeland ‘Insecurity’ bigtime. Also the equipment used for new screener methods are being hyped and pushed by former high level government officials, Michael Chertoff being of them !? The bottomline to much of this enhanced airport security overkill is linked to money; ie., big bucks, all courtesy of captive American tax slaves. Just follow the money.

      The December 2009 terrorist debacle originated in Nigeria via the Netherlands. The screwup was in the Netherlands so our everso eager, control freaks in charge decide to kick it up a notch and make U.S. domestic air travelers miserable.

      Also the airlines don’t seem to care that air travel security has reached a level of maximum indignities rendered to the passengers. Seemingly air travel falls in the same category as one of the last few remaining ‘freedoms’, just like shopping until one drops with most sheeple terrified that to question such, might mean they’ll lose that too. Flying and shopping evidently transcend their core God-given freedoms itself…no? / : |


      “A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves” …Edward R. Murrow


      Carl Nemo **==

    • I cannot speak to educational levels, but these guys start at less than $13 an hour, from what I have been able to figure out on the net.

      Look at the hours they have to work. Some of them start work before 5 AM, some of them finish work well after midnight. They have to put up with rations of sh!t from passengers that probably no other industry has to put up with. And the turnover rate is about 2 – 1/2 times the normal rate for Fed employees.

      So we turn it over to a bunch of contractors. HEY! Xi is looking for work for its workforce. In case you don’t remember that’s the new name of those Blackwater creeps.

      Seriously, though. Do you really believe you are going to get contractors to do this scut work for less than $30K a year starting pay? As to the flying more, airplanes are pretty much full all the time, based on my admittedly limited experience with travel. If more people fly the law of supply and demand dictates the prices go up.

      It’s pretty much a no-win situation. If they turn loose of security levels and lose a plane and perhaps a big building the public will turn on them and tear them limb from limb. If they keep the security level high they die the death of a thousand cuts every day.

      Solution? Darned if I know, but if it were easy someone would have figured out the answer by now.

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