When politics gets personal, everyone loses

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1. Carl Nemo;

   Thanks for the Kudo – but as spot-on as I may be, nothing of consequence will be accomplished as far as uniting the people. Read my final comment at the end of this thread and you’ll understand why…

   I am sad and disgusted, but my efforts to help unite people have resulted in site owners utterly ignoring my ideas completely, and some who feel downright threatened or angry that I would suggest that they “should work together” for the common good.

   I’ve taken enough flak on this one to understand that people don’t really want to organize and make a difference, as somehow, they believe that bitching about it and supporting a hundred ideas, none of which has enough actual support to be successful, is the way to go, and vanity and stubbornness will allow the Bush Crime Family to go happily on their way with only feeble opposition…

   I’m disgusted and will work on something else that is actually productive rather than wasting my time on a lost cause.

   Best regards,

   William Cormier

2. SEAL:

   What you have advocated in your post I have been advocating through-out the Internet, and my opinion, sadly, is that attempting to get Progressives, Liberals, Independents, and all who support ending the Bush administration to unite is like herding cats! Even though it’s the obvious solution, advocating and pushing for exactly that scenario is probably the most unpopular of endeavors that I have ever attempted, and is generally ignored. Why?

   So far, I’m not quite sure, but my best bet is that as you stated, a true “Leader” has not emerged that has the talent, vision, and chrisima to step-in and fight for a general mobilization of “The People”. I’m a very small voice in the political scene – however, if KOS, The Brad Blog, The Huffington Post, ThinkProgress.org, or even CHB took the lead and supported such an endeavor, it would have a chance succeeding, depending on the tenacity and doggedness of that particular site – but in all honesty, all seem to be too busy worrying about their own traffic and readership to step-out into the realm of controversy and activism and work towards a solution that would actually impact Washington!

   In short, it isn’t going to happen! The GOP political machine kicked our asses because they spoke with a united voice, no matter what – but we who seek a return to our constitutional values and the rule of law refuse to be realistic and rather than give an inch, will watch, and bemoan the fall of our Democratic Republic – all because of selfishness, vanity, and the knowledge that the government will attempt to stop anyone from actually uniting the people – and no one of consequence apparently seems to be up to the challenge. (IMHO.)

   Stick me with a fork, I’m done.

   William Cormier

3. Doug.

   Who got to you? Seldom does such a true patriot turn into such a Benidict Arnold in such a short period of time!

   You went from a patriot of the people and a champion of free speech and the bill of rights, no matter how sorted it was, to a timid censor of opinion. JUST LIKE THAT.

   You best reconsider your role in history my friend. No matter how ominous the powers that be and their influence on the net; or the criticisms hurled your way by common citizens; you will regret becoming a editorial coward for the rest of you days. Please reaccess your course my good friend.

   American History is repleat with tipping points begot by true patriots of the constitution. IMHO, you and your website are of that incredibly high caliber of journalism. I emplore you to hold out against natural fear of anarchy which always shawdows great endeavors of great men.

   of Your loyal base and groundswell,

   pacplyer

4. Doug:
   I have tremendous respect for you. One of the things I have admired is that you have always been human with the normal human failings and flashes of brilliance. You have always been honest. However, This piece, like a couple of others in the past, I believe you wrote without thinking it all the way through.

   My guess is you are concerned with the way people are expressing their anger rather than actually expecting people not to be angry because I can’t believe you truly believe that ordinary people would not be angry. I agree that people should refrain from the personal hated remarks. They take away from the writers presentation and make them no better than those they attack.

   What we need more than anything at this point is someone to step out and take the lead to develop a following. There are millions of us who, If we could get organized, could make great changes. In mass, we could force our employees in congress to do the right thing. I’m in no condition to do that, but you or someone you know should be the perfect person to to start that. Maybe CHB would be the birthplace for it. I know we would all support it. I would like to hear your response to this..

5. WOW! Today I came home from the hospital after my third brush with death from this disease to find the owner of my beloved forum telling us we should not hate. Well, I can cetainly tell you I hated this past week. Just as I hated the several other close brushes with death I’ve had in my life defending my country from what I was told was its mortal enemy. That I would not have hated dying for, then. Knowing what I know now I’m sure as hell glad I didn’t throw away my life for the lies I was given to be the truth then. I don’t believe anyone has the right to ask me not to hate the people that lied me damn near to death then anymore than they have to ask me not to hate those who are lying my nation to death now.

   After 32 years of putting my life on the line for my beloved nation, I think I have earned the right to hate anyone who threatens it. I am personally offended by your request Mr. Thompson. Especially in view of the fact that I have endeavored to channel my hatred in the most constructive way I know how most of the time as I believe a review of my posts in this forum would show.

   Asking people not to hate is to ask people not to be people and that is totally unrealistic. Perhaps you might ask them to express their hatred more constructively. But to ask me not to hate those currently destroying my America is insulting, sir.

6. I think this country is more divided now than at any time since the Civil War.

   People root for their chosen liberal or conservative candidates as if they were rooting for their favorite football team. No matter how lousy the Quarterback, everyone has an opinion that will not budge.

   As the body-bags continue to accumulate some need to recognize that this is not a frickin’ game.

   The divisiveness itself is terrible — and so destructive. Everyday the hate-mongers of stupid-talk radio(note the correct use of the hyphen), do more and more damage. And it is stupid talk. Most of it is bullshit.

   And this GOP arrogance. Their smug assumption of superiority. (Let me put my hand on your foot in the bathroom stall, and hey I’ve been a senator for 25 years, a staunch defender of hot-dogs, apple pie, baseball and I hate gays. I’m just an ultra-right wing wacko, and I’m always, always right.)

   Gimme a break.

   Lincoln said that a house divided against itself cannot stand. Yet, over a hundred years later that is the position we are in. A house terribly divided.

   The only question remaining is: When the entertainers of stupid-talk media, the horribly corrupt leaders of both parties, and the fundamentalist religious evangelical warlords depart — who then will restore the Union?

   In 1861 Lincoln faced an uncertain future, the prospects of a horrible war. Then, as now, the divisiveness that grips America today is your guarantee that this is going to be yet another long, ugly struggle.

   Lloyd K.

7. Nice try in holding back, but how can it work with people in Washington who seem to think only of themselves and perhaps their constituents.

   It appears we have no representation in DC at all, and nobody seems to listen to the people. They listen to lobbyists, why not us?

   And we have no good candidates running for office of president. That’s frightening.It’s also frightening to learn here and there how many women will vote for Hillary Clinton just because she’s a woman. My God!

   We have nowhere to turn but here where we can air our feelings in a reasonable and civilized manner.

   There is anger now because passion didn’t work. We’ve trusted too many times and can no longer safely do so.

   It’s stifling to us to suggest that we ought not allow our anger to show. What would you like us to do? Throw more tea into Boston Harbor again? Yeah, like that’d work now.

8. “We cannot, and must not, advocate positions or spread information that is driven by hate, personal prejudices or political agendas”

   Ahem.

   Everything is driven to a greater or lesser extant by hate, personal prejudices or political agendae.

   My particular agenda is to remove the criminals that are the White House cabal, and have them prosecuted for their transgressions.

   Why? Simple. I hate what they have done. ( And, I will spare you the recitation of facts to support my contention.)

   Pollyanna doesn’t work here, Doug.

   Cheers,

   Arlo J. Thudpucker

9. Superbly stated spot-on analysis William Cormier…!

   Carl Nemo **==

10. I believe Anger is related to your own tolorance and Temper. It can get to a point where you have run out of cheeks to turn, apologizing for others that refuse to see what everyone else sees or watching something you love being destroyed.
    For a very long time, I had a very deep hate toward bush. I wished him dead numerous times, it consumed me to the point, it was all I thought of. Each day he did or said something, fueling the hatred, keeping it going and alive.
    My wife, God Bless her, sat me down one day and talked about my feelings. First, it was not helping my hypertension, started to get headaches again after it took a long time to control getting them.
    She made me understand that alone, I couldn’t do anything to change what bush had done nor could I change him.
    What I do now is change what he does to a joke, make it look foolish. I also collect the “Bushisms” that are the funniest.
    It weasn’t easy to do, changing my thoughts of him. I took that step back, looked at myself and realized it didn’t matter to him being hated by me, he would never read what I wrote but, I took solace in the fact, he was aware just how many Americans felt about him. He claimed to never look at the Polls of which I felt was a lie, he knew very well what the numbers were.
    There is another way that hate can be mustered, frustration. The frustration I felt and what many others were feeling, towards the Democrats. They asked us for help to put them in the majority of Congress, we even went a step further by doing the same in the Senate. They made commitments and promises to us of what they would do, once in power we put our trust in them to carry out those changes. Once the Democrats were in power, we waited and waited for the changes, none came. Not one important item was touched. They had the unmitigated nerve adding insult to injury, giving in to bush, everything asked for and then some.
    We are asked by independent political sites to telephone our elected officials, tell them what we want done on certain issues. They should count their lucky stars, the calls are free as calling does as much good as writing comments. The calls are ignored, threatening with voting someone else for their seat, means nothing to them. There are too few politicians actually listening to their constituents, when evety one of them should be doing.
    I don’t know when it took place but, this government regardless which party is in power, no longer is it for or by the people. The real majority does not rule. The words of past great presidents have been lost. Words and Speeches are no longer followed or used as guidelines to help in today’s problems.
    It is easy for Doug to ask us for respect to president bush, Bill and Hillary Clinton and for the Country but, I was taught, respect has to be earned. Bush never came close to earn my respect or that of millions of other Americans. He started off on the wrong foot by the way he reached the White House, something like that is difficult to forget.
    I will try my best to keep my Hate in check but, with bush still in charge, he will test me everyday.

    Taking One Day at a Time.

11. On a personal side……

    Its hard to reason with someone who will not be reasonable and reason with you. As the saying goes it takes two too tango.

12. Sometimes, when all else fails,

    There is nothing left but rebellion. If you vote for change and when and then the ones you voted in turn coat and join what you wish changed,, you say what the hell??? When the people you elect no longer serve you the people,, and after all means have been exhausted,, when judges make decisions which are contrary to law,, when the rights of the people are squashed, when you and everything you believed in is being destroyed, when we as free people are having that freedom taken from us, when peaceful protest fails and protesters are jailed for exercising their God given rights, when women, men and children can be abused for no cause, when you can be jailed just because they want to, not charged for any crime and jailed indefinitely, tortured, your community and
    and the children living in it burned to the ground and murdered, your sons shot in the back, your wife shot in the head and killed for no legitimate cause,
    Your land taken from you and given to someone else, when the majority say and vote for years saying no no no and the government basically says fuck you and up yours, when you say the truth and you are jailed for siding with whom ever. There just comes a time when people will say ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!

    Have we as a people reached that point? Will the government listen finally, and change course as the people have asked, wished, dictated and screamed about? Hope so.
    But when all else fails,,
    When a government no longer serves its people,, it has been shown through history what will finally result.

13. I do not believe I use vitriolic language when I post. However, I do strongly dislike George W. Bush, as I would anyone who is responsible for the deaths and mutilations of thousands. His arrogance, ignorance, and hubris has caused great damage to many. To say otherwise about him is to be totally ignorant of where he has led this nation. I will continue to speak out against him. I believe he and his gang of neocons belong on trial for decieving us into an unnecessary war. How can anyone not strongly dislike someone who has done that? Personally, he has put my son-in-law and son at high risk.

    I understand Doug’s ever present attempt to be fair to both parties as he does when he says Clinton abused power going after enemies. I do not defend Clinton and his personal behavior. I wrote him to resign after Monica. However, there is no comparison between his “going after people” and the hatchet job that this administration has done to people who have disagreed with their policies. Doug makes a stretch when he equates what Clinton may have done to discredit the “women” in his life and the assault on our government that Bush/Rove have done going after dissenters from their orthodoxy. Their disdain and destruction of dissenters led them to the ruinous policies they have persued. They have corrupted our system of government so that the DOJ can not be trusted to be impartial. Our elections are in doubt. They have shown nothing but disdain for Congress. All this and they have gotten us into an unnecessary war that has become a quagmire. What is there not to dislike?

14. Doug –

    Political debate is dead, didn’t you read the obit? It died along with integrity, transparency, selflessness and the rest of the virtues that defined true patriots.

    We’ve gone from being a society that defined itself through its accomplishments in helping others to one that cares only for itself, as such those old ideas of virtue are obsolete within major party politics.

    All that seems to matter at this point is winning and grabbing power at any cost, damn the means, it’s the end that counts.

    You see it on the highways of this nation as drivers combat to be first in line, you see it on the sidewalks and under the bridges where the homeless manage to eke out existence while those with substantial portfolios pass by without so much as a passing glance, much less a passing thought that perhaps they could stop and help and it manifests itself in the congress where substance means nothing, posture means all.

    I’m not sure when this death spiral began, it wasn’t with the current administration, it seems to have begun well before, but Bush and company have driven a stake through the heart of virture to ensure that it never again sees the light of day.

    Peace

    Steve

15. Frustration! not hate
    is what seems to be fueling most posters. This is not the only site complaining recently and trying to stifle the din.

    Our economy is based on debt and our leaders are determined to launch a nuclear war on Iran.

    Now tell me why we should ‘reasonably’ be able to discuss this at less than a roar?

16. Doug: In your effort at balance, you once again conflate the two parties. I don’t believe that the level of vitriol directed at our CURRENT leaders (i.e., the ones we’re trying to change) in any way even APPROACHES the viciousness that was directed at our FORMER Democratic leaders (e.g., the Clintons, Kerry, Gore) or, revoltingly, at anyone who OPPOSED this Administration’s policies–particularly in the first 2-3 years of the Iraq War. ANYONE who questioned our invasion of a sovereign country lacking the means to threaten us was immediately vilified, or worse. Undercover C.I.A. agents were outed (and their careers and contacts destroyed), entertainers who expressed even a mild opinion were trashed.

    So I’m offended by your “fair-minded” approach to lumping all this “hate” together. It seems that for you, and everyone else, the Clintons remain “fair game”–able to be attacked with impunity and without resorting to facts. Specifically, you state today that “the Clintons also used the power of the White House to wage personal wars against their opponents.”

    When, specifically, did they do this? What “personal wars” did they conduct–other than rightly questioning the motives and methods of those who spent 8+ years investigating their every breath? If you’re going to make a definitive statement like that, back it up: Please cite multiple examples–since you chose the plural term “personal wars”–in which the Clintons went after people in a PERSONAL way–rather than refuting or resisting their policies or efforts. I think you’ll find that difficult.

    It’s one thing for the right-wing Republicans to impeach a twice duly-elected President for the very specific crime of perjury without EVER specifying the precise question(s) or response(s) that constituted perjurious statements.

    But it’s quite another for a respected journalist to just throw out a blanket statement that TWO PEOPLE engaged in “personal wars” directed at political opponents–in the midst of a “Rant” about the rise in personal attacks–without any factual basis (or even feeling that you need to advance one).

    It seems you’re being hypocritical: Condemning unproven (and cheap) “personal attacks”…while making one. Shouldn’t PART of your message be that, “Just because it’s the Clintons, doesn’t mean you can just say ANYTHING about someone?!”

    It’s too easy–as you often do–to say that “both sides do it” and that “they’re all equally bad.” Especially as it relates to the paramount disaster of our times–the Iraq invasion: those that were FOR it called those that questioned it “traitors,” “un-American,” “Saddam sympathizers” and far worse.

    Those that didn’t feel it was necessary, moral or worth the “life and treasure” merely countered that those pushing the policy were wrong. Which they were.

17. And we wonder:

    Doug, Your comments starting from the above (And we wonder) part of you letter should be sent to the White House and Congress. Sounds like you are talking about them.

    The Bush family, the Neocons and the ultra right wing coup masters have really shown us what this country and it’s people are all about. I think what you get on your web site is the real McCoy. I don’t know why you get so upset? The human animal is the most vicious of all the species on earth. You know that, so why get upset when they prove it?

18. People are angry and this society is at war with the leadership of our nation. Our words are the only readily available ammunition. Once a person has voted there is nothing more you can do except write your representives and sign petitions.(mostly to no avail but we do it)
    I have never thought that anything I posted here would make a difference either way on any subject..yet I continue venting,opining,and most of all learning. I do not have to agree with something or someone to learn. To say that I am grateful for the opportunity afforded me here at CHB would be a gross understatement.

    “Words are an excellent way of communicating but they will never replace kisses and punches”
    Ashleigh BrilliantI

19. dadblasted
    Doug-
    There has been so much of politicians’ disrespect of one another during the past 14 years that it is not unreasonable to assume that many are disgusted with the game of politics and those that have been using it solely for personal gain. With many hypocritical Republicans calling the Clinton “kettle black,” while they dallied in even more sordid circumstances and suffered little or no consequences, it has been difficult to treat the opposition with the respect required to conduct a civil dialogue. The vitriol backed by millions of dollars to place G.W. Bush in office, further escalated oppositional anger. That anger placed the Democrats in limited power in Congress in 2005 and those limitations have resulted in frustrations. Thus, the Bush administration has not been halted in its assaults on the US Constitution, nor in its pugnacious attitude of arrogance regarding the American public that it was elected to serve and not to dictate.

    Perhaps we’ve all come to feel like frustrated children, absolutely powerless and able to respond only with temper tantrums that result in shrieking “I hate you!” to our parental figures.

20. I also must add one other item in regard some of the comments that are made, not necessarily on CHB, but what is almost becoming a trend on the Internet.

    Every day, I see posts where people are calling for an armed rebellion against the Bush administration, which equates to a civil war and an instant declaration of Martial Law – which would give Bush the authority to turn our own armed forces against the people of the United States. When the anger and frustration reaches the level when people are actually voicing their support of an armed rebellion, we know that something is gravely wrong with our nation – and to agree with such nonsense is counterproductive at best, and suicide at worst!

    The mere thought of shooting another American, especially those that are in the National Guard who would help to suppress an insurrection – turns my stomach, and to those that support such a radical approach – I urge them to reconsider and use that so-called “patriotic fervor” in a way that will actually help us to take-back our republic, and in one piece without having to resort to violence.

    The last thing we need is to destroy this country from within, and once again, it comes down to solidarity and uniting our fractured voices – which would be thunderous and could literally change the course of history as quickly as we became organized!

    Surely, if you have the passion and are willing to lay-down your life in the defense of our freedom and liberty, then you should be able to make four or five phone calls to the White House and Capitol Hill per day, and help to organize people so bloodshed can be avoided! I am not keen at shedding blood, especially that of fellow-Americans, and I doubt it will be necessary if people would just wake-up and unite.

    I am challenging all of the major Political sites, including Capitol Hill Blue, to keep-up the great articles and evidence that keeps the people informed and therefore angry enough to fight for our freedoms, but in a way that will succeed and follows our long tradition of public descent and real “patriotism”, which is working to achieve the common-good, and maintain the health and welfare of our country – not destroy it by over-reacting and allowing ourselves to be caught-up in the rebellious nature of all those who cherish and love freedom. IF there were ever to be a time for rebellion, no one will have to raise the alarm. Unfortunately, we would all know at once when Martial Law is declared, and the government begins to disarm its citizenry and imprisons those who speak-up for freedom. At that point, no amount of words would quell the storm that is brewing, and it’s a confrontation we can stop from happening by working together and sites like CHB reach-out to other major political and alternative news sources to see how they can work together to unite us into one voice.

    It’s time for more than Articles and Discussion!

    As it stands at this moment in history, the Bush administration is winning, and we are losing! It’s time for a change in our approach, and I implore all of you to consider the old adage which today carries as much meaning as it did when it was first coined! “United We Stand, Divided We Fall!” If we quit chasing our tails and urge the most prominent voices on the Internet to aid in uniting a real movement to rid ourselves of Bush and Cheney – it will work, or in the alternative, it will cause Bush to attack Iran immediately in order to quell our solidarity and declare Martial Law. Either way, the solidarity of the people would be established, and then and only then will be able to effectively fight the growing menace to our society, freedom, and the American way of life. We have to do something, and simply bitching and moaning about it isn’t accomplishing a damn thing. It’s action and solidarity we need, and all of us can pitch-in and make it happen.

    What do you have to lose? What do you have to gain? We should all carefully weigh those thoughts and react appropriately – because there is only one answer that makes any sense – and in our hearts, we all know it to be true.

    William Cormier

21. Ronnie
    Doug – I read you every day – this is only the second time I have commented – but let me say I am very proud of you for speaking against the vitriol that seeme to be infecting the public discord. I’m sure it has a lot to do with the frustration that many of us feel about Bush & Co. – but nevertheless I know from experience how feeling hatred and “chewing” on it can backfire into depression and hopelessness…it’s a matter of mental health if nothing else to be “above” the hatefulness of this administration by not echoing their vitriol.
    Thanks, Doug
    Ronnie

22. Has April Fool’s Day been moved to September 3 on our calendars? Doug Thompson, the Prince of Vitriol, has suddenly morphed into the Church Lady!
    What a terrific ploy to generate comments!
    Welcome to the Nanny State of the universe formerly called the United States of America.

23. Doug, I like your new leaf. They say you can’t change anyone else in this world. You can only change yourself — but in doing that, you make everything different.

    Thank you!

24. Doug;

    I’m not sure if I’m one of those who have posted hateful comments or not, as I’ve been posting here on and off for quite a while, and there were times I wrote when I was mad as hell…

    That said, there is a division between hateful statements and reality, and in this administration, too often they seem to merge, and reporting what is “real” may seem to be hateful and inappropriate.

    Would it be a hateful remark if I called Bush a “Mass Murderer?” Maybe, but you have to look at the context in which it was written:

    Former Reagan Aide Accuses Bush of Being a “Mass Murderer”!

    Or, if I stated that Bush was mentally ill and crazy, would that be considered to be a hateful statement? We have both written pieces that challenge President Bush’s mental stability, and that’s a fact that is discussed through-out the web, so would it be hateful to say: “Bush is a mentally deranged mass murderer!” taken in the context that considers my previous statements and references? In other words, there are times when the stone-cold truth sounds hateful, and where exactly are we to draw the line?

    I wrestle with that issue myself, and if someone reads the two articles, and they see evidence that Bush is mentally unstable, connect the dots themselves, what conclusion are they to draw, and how should it be stated? I’m full of anger and I despise Bush and Cheney, and all whom seek to steal our liberty and freedoms – but I rarely use profane language and attempt to keep my writing as civil as possible – because I want people to read it! I don’t want someone to quit reading because they believe it’s just another long, hateful rant about Bush and Cheney… Articles and posts like that are everywhere, as the country is becoming outraged, and disgust and loathing in regard those who have almost destroyed America is everywhere!

    I’m one of the “poor” Americans since I became disabled, and when Milk tops $4.00 a gallon, Gas is just a few pennies less than milk, and ALL of the prices in our supermarkets and stores are sky-rocketing – because to add insult to injury, some genius within the Bush administration decided that making ethanol out of corn was an appropriate way to combat high gas prices, so Bush and his cronies devised a plan to increase corporate profits again, and this time those in the low-income brackets are really suffering! Every time I leave the store I’m breathing fire, calling the SOB’s everything I can think of, because I’m genuinely angry, but those are my personal moments when I vent my utter frustration and despair as it pertains to the state of this nation!

    However, now my anger is now turning to those who continually write about even more crimes committed by the Bush administration – but do nothing to try and organize the people to make change happen, and we could do it if the Progressives and Liberals would simply unite and speak with a unified voice. We could move mountains, there are tens of millions of us out here, yet no one is taking it serious to unite us – and it’s got me infuriated! All of you who are as angry as I am, please turn that anger into activism, and urge all of the Progressive and Liberal political sites to unite as one, and work to effectively remove Bush and Cheney from office, rather than cussing and frothing at the mouth and using-up energy and time that is best suited in effectuating change, not moaning about how bad it is. (And yes, I’m guilty of rants myself), but I also am trying to get people to unite and speak with a single voice, and that my friends, is the only way we will get this tyrant out of the White House!

    William Cormier

25. Doug, if what you are arguing against is bad language, that’s a matter of style and manners, and I won’t disagree. However, if you are opposing calling a criminal a criminal, then what you are arguing for is unilateral disarmament in the middle of a life or death war. The people will never know who their enemies are if debate needs to be “polite”. Such a position is a prescription to continued, bleeting servitude. You might just as well sell the blog and let it openly join the corporate press chorus. In light of these comments, can you further explicate what you mean by hate?

26. Whats not to despise,,,,,,, about the people who run this country? They lie, cheat, send people out to fight wars for no other reason than power, money, revenge. Are we supposed to sit back and admire these people?
    Almost EACH and EVERY candidate running for office today will lie and say anything to get elected and then go and do what they want with no concern for the people of this country. These people are controlled,, and working, not for the people, but for the Big biz which is polluting the water, air and food we need. The enslavers of mankind.

    You are disturbed by the hate towards these people?
    Where I do not advocate hate, I certainly can understand what and why people would hate these “people”. What I do not understand and am disturbed by,, is some peoples LACK of outrage towards these monsters. Its hard to be civil towards a criminal while he is stealing you blind, killing your kids and raping the country you live in while he wants to spy on you like you are the one doing something wrong.. A president and any other so called public servant which has sworn to uphold and protect the constitution and has then forsaken his or her vow,, or any other vow, is worthy of nothing other than contempt. So I will say it flat out, The Bushs, the clintons, edwards and all the other liars running for and in, a so called public office make me sick. They deserve to be arrested for treason and done with as any should be who has sold out this country and its people. This isn’t hate its moral outrage.

    When all is said and done it is usually hate of and an overwhelming anger towards the tyrants,, which finally makes a people rise up and throw off the chains of tyranny. They do not say,, lets be civil about this.

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