Tea Party activist Mike Troxel of Lynchburg, VA, decided it would be cute to post what he thought was Democratic Rep. Tom Perriello‘s home address on his blog after the Congressman had the gall to vote for the health care reform bill that passed the House of Representatives Sunday night.
But Troxel got it wrong. The address was that of Perriello’s brother, not the Congressman and his actions resulted in vandalism of Bo Perriello’s home in Ivy, including a cut gas line from a propane tank along with an anonymous, threatening note.
Tea Party officials quickly tried to distance themselves from Troxel, the Lynchburg Chapter’s Media Chairman, claiming his actions were his own and not sanctioned by the party but the incident is just the latest example of excess by the self-proclaimed, but phony, “grassroots” operation that grew out of a sham organization backed by a major petroleum and energy company.
Troxel, a 2005 graduate of Liberty University, the right-wing religious school founded by the late Rev. Jerry Falwell, admitted to Politco he posted the address and said he would not remove it, even though it was wrong.
Wrote Troxel:
Just in case any of his friends and neighbors want to drop by and say hi and express their thanks regarding his vote for health care, I personally believe it’s so important for representatives to remain fully grounded and to remember exactly what it is their constituents are saying and how they are telling them to vote. Nothing quite does that like a good face-to-face chat. It has a much more personal touch to it.
The FBI is investigating the matter along with a growing number of threats and actions against Democratic Congressmen who voted for the bill. After bragging about his action to Politico, Troxel has gone underground and no longer responds to phone calls or requests for comment. His blog went offline Wednesday, returning a notice saying it has “exceeded” its bandwidth.
Sadly, Troxel’s actions are not atypical of Tea Party shenanigans. Participants in the Tea Party-organized protest over the weekend in Washington hurled racial epithets at African-American members of Congress and shouted homophobic insults at gay Congressman Barney Frank. Others have waved threatening and derogatory signs at Tea Party gatherings.
Posters who identify themselves with labels like “proud members of the Tea Party” or “American Tea Party Patriots” have flooded Internet forums and bulletin boards with threats towards members of Congress who voted for the bill.
The Tea Party proudly proclaims itself a product of what it calls growing voter “anger” in America and there is always a fine line between anger and hate. The movement, which grew out of a sham grassroots organization called Citizens for a Sound Economy, funded by right-wing Kansas petroleum and energy magnates David and Charles Koch, has crossed that line more than once.
Members of the Tea Party who engage in such activities are nothing less than domestic terrorists.
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97 thoughts on “Tea Party brews terrorism”
It’s so amazing that you still believe that racial slurs were shouted by Tea Partiers as black congressmen walked by. NO ONE has any evidence on video or no one not even the guard walking with the congressman corroborated this claim. But yet the Dems continue with wild accusations to gain the sympathy of the American people that don’t have the time or inclination to fact check. Keep spreading the lies, the truth will come out, and remember that while no one may hold you accountable here, there is One who will judge.
The tea party was built on being a bully. From the beginning it has been one attempt to intimidate after another. The “claim” they represent “the people”, but what they represent is the fringe of the republican party, who demands that you do as they say–or else. They are a prime example of George Orwells “think-speak”, they are EXACTLY opposite of who they say they are.
So, those domestic terrorists, the ones planning to kill a cop, then booby-trap and kill those that attended the funeral, are Tea Baggers themselves. They even hosted a Tea Bagger event.
Anyone who still denies the facts – that there are Tea Baggers who wish to damage this country, better think again and open their eyes. They are terrorists, plain and simple.
What would you have called these characters prior to the word “terrorist” becoming fashionable post 9/11 Rob and the passage of the ‘Patriot’ Act?
I believe simply individuals breaking laws of the land; ie, criminals who once apprehended must be tried by a jury of their peers and if found guilty, just punishment rendered.
This “terrorist” hysteria gets a bit trying after a while e.g. …
Here a terrorist, there a terrorist, everywhere a terrorist!
Let’s go back four hundred years and there was:
Here a witch, there a witch, everywhere a witch!
Here a heretic, there a heretic, everywhere a heretic!…say what? / : |
I’d say it’s simply the same old con with either government or religious input that creates mass hysteria for their own purposes; ie., to distract the unwashed masses from their own ongoing form of the same hidden within the laws they’ve passed to protect themselves from ever seeing justice while legally terrorizing the citizenry, but in a velvet gloved, protracted fashion.
Carl Nemo **==
In 1988 President Ronald Reagan signed the Civil Liberties Act, which blamed racial prejudice, war hysteria, and a “failure of political leadership” for the policies of internment and not the exigencies of war.
There are plenty of radical Democrats and Republicans as well, but we can’t condemn a political organization for the acts of a few loose cannons. Or do you want the US Navy to fire on the next Greenpeace ship that tries to intercept other ocean going vessels and label them economic terrorists? They even provide the boats and a written policy to harass vessels but are still considered a political group. I don’t want that to happen.
One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.
What’s interesting in all this is the use of the word terrorist for these folks, whoever they are, and the absolute refusal to use same word for those (shhhh don’t say it!) Islamic SOBs who bomb our country, attack our embassies and warships, etc. Man-caused-disasters is the new vernacular for that stuff, ya know? Not even ANY attribution whatsoever.
Truth is stranger than fiction.
I don’t particularly fear “Tea Baggers”. At this point in our history I fear our extant government more so with the clandestine continuation of renditions, the “spirit” of torture being necessary if the situation should justify it, the surveillance state where no one’s opinions, persons, faculties, or possessions are safe if the government deems to declare one a terrorist for the convenience of suppressing dissent.
If a Tea Bagger breaks the law then they need to be simply prosecuted as accused criminals. I believe there’s still freedom of speech and unless this speech is done with the purpose of inciting riots then I have no problem with their placards or even their epithets that are shouted out at crimpols and their brethren.
I don’t value my comfortable life so much as to indemnify the idea of denying freedom and justice to others so I can live a ‘safe’, quiet life in my twilight years. I’ve read folks on this site demanding Tea Baggers be rounded up denied their civil rights etc. just because they are protesting the order of the day etc. or some TV based bloviators annoy their inner sensibilities.
All I can say is if politicians and others can’t stand the heat then best invest in a many changes of underwear in the coming months and years to come… : |
Carl Nemo **==
Actually, if Madison were somehow transported to the present, he’d be the first in line to demand that a sanity test be given before Tea Baggers were given the right to vote. He had no sadistic or suicidal tendencies, and in order to protect the body politick, he would have been moved to act, and to act strongly.
Well if Madison were alive today we wouldn’t have government healthcare, endless war and uneducated people.
So now you say that the right to vote should be limited only to those that agree with those in power at any given time?
In case you’re unaware, the Founders did act, and act strongly, in freeing our country from the tyranny of the British Empire. Who then will free us from the tyranny of the American Empire?
Griff, Let’s agree to disagree.
The Tea Baggers pose a danger to our country. They take lies spewed by Beck, Fox, and Palin, they buy weapons, and they get angry. Tell what what good can come of it.
In terms of American history, health care reform has about as much support as independence had in the late 1770s. There were large groups, including many leaders (ben franklin’s son, a governor, no less, was irate at his dad, and never spoke to him again) who hated the idea of independence. Comparing health care with independence does have a place, except, I really hope we don’t suffer the same bloodshed at the hands of Tea bagger idiots.
Rob, I hardly believe the tea parties pose any real danger to this country. Ever heard of false flag terror? It happens to be part of the official Army training manual. Look it up some time. It means that acts of terror are carried out in the name of others in order to demonize a particular group.
Nero used it in ancient Rome. Hitler used it in Nazi Germany. We use it all over the world. Iran in 1953? Gulf of Tonkin? The U.S.S. Liberty?
What I’m saying is that I find it more than convenient that a heretofore peaceful movement has all of a sudden turned violent because of the healthcare bill. As always, cui bono – who benefits? Surely not the tea partiers, for I see no political advantage to violence for those that supposedly carry it out.
I have been warning of the unholy alliance between the tea parties and the Republicans since they first began to gain influence in the movement. Nothing good can come of it now, the damage has been done. Beck, Palin and the rest of Fox News are surely doing their part to turn a once non-partisan movement based on solid policy positions into a divisive partisan showdown.
That is also why I have always advocated and supported Campaign for Liberty and not the tea parties. After all, it was Ron Paul supporters that started the tea parties.
What also concerns me is that independent people like myself are wrongly being demonized because we have similar ideas, but want no part of any Republican-led movement.
Hey Almandine, if James Madison were alive today, I think he’s be thinking the same thoughts that he did back in the late 1700’s…
“A popular government without popular information or the means of acquiring it, is but a prologue to a farce, or a tragedy, or perhaps both.”
“And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
“Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government.”
“If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.”
“Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives.”
“No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.”
“Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions.”
I watched the movie 2012 a few weeks ago. Like most productions it survived on sensationalism and quack science, but…?!
Many folks don’t know about the Svalbard Island project to secure the seeds of all flora on planet earth. Possibly there’s a side project to secure the DNA of all creatures on earth to in a cryogenic environment.
They could power such with simply lower level waste products from higher level fission reactions; ie., spent fuel in order to supply the necessary energy to provide refrigeration necessary to preserve DNA at the necessary extreme levels. Otherwise the normal temperatures at these climes even in the event of global warming should be sufficient to preserve most species of flora with out damage to the germ.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7529
Many if not most folks aren’t aware of this project and the intensity in which they work in order to secure it permanently before 2012. Possibly our government along with others aren’t sharing the possibility of a NEA (near earth asteroid) contact with earth in 2012.
Just conjecture on my part, but I wouldn’t put it past the caliber of people that now lead the nations of earth. All a bunch of shallow, greedy, career intense mattoids. : |
Carl Nemo **==
I can’t bring myself to watch that flick, although yesterday (Sunday) was Armageddon day once more on History Channel.
Propaganda! Propaganda! Gitcher Propaganda Here!
They are speaking in one of the two languages the rich and powerful understand. It is scary and is really strange!
poker gratuit
Merci de Madame pour le sandwich à Spam…PAS ! / : |
Carl Nemo **==
Southern ring of fire, extreme Pacific ocean southern boundary plates,
twixt Australia and Chile, once the ring is intact, get back .
Bouncing by The USGS , fear Earth burps…
Earthmogeddon..
“Mother Earth both burps and farts” Bryan… ; )
Carl Nemo **==
Aye Sir, as we undulate,
word fools such as I cost valuable moments,
intermittent to fire mission parameters,
Chase down in the bush,
where hunker has become the only thought of existence from one form of ignorance to another and be the gift of life or death.
How easily today with volunteers. Hack..
The veritable asteroid, do it be plus, or minus ?
When Bush was in office, protesting the government was en vogue with the leftists. Remember Code Pink and their buckets of blood? How about when they blocked traffic on bridges? Were those terrorist activities?
Are any of you aware that Cindy Sheehan and other anti-war protesters were arrested the other day for exercising their constitutional rights and demanding an end to what the left termed illegal wars? Are not these the same wars that the Democrats promised more than three years ago to end?
Do we remember how upset people were about Bush’s ‘free speech zones’ and detention of protesters during the 2004 RNC? Did we see similar activities at the G20 in Pittsburgh? We sure did.
Now that their man is in office, protesting is now considered a terrorist activity. How convenient.
Reality is a double-edged switchblade?
I’m quite positive Madison would have replied .. Al,
I’M a double edged American, come get a slice of this. Hack.
I did catch that Cindy was busted again. I still wish those San Franciscans had ousted Pelosi and elected Sheehan. And I wish I was as brave as her.
March 20, 2012 – the seventh anniversary of the Iraq invasion. Funny the media doesn’t celebrate that anniversary in quite the same way that they used to.
Oops – 2010.
I was outside the Federal building here in Columbus, OH the very next day protesting it.
Your slip concerning 2012 is spot-on too Griff. We’ll still be there sacrificing our young men’s lives and national treasure on the sands of Iraq and the mountains of Afghanistan. Possibly too we’ll have already been engaged in a white-hot war with Iran spanning the entire region from the Red Sea to Pakistan with possibly a collateral outbreak of hostilities between Pakistan and India too.
Back home true unemployment will be in the 25 % plus range while the economy is a stagnant bust other than for Wall Street and their shadowy players cheering on the stock market. The MIC and the “oil patch” will be grinning ear to ear too.
Commodities will be a moonshot in pricing and all the ‘good’ citizens of Gotham, USA will be long-faced and desperate as to why things are no longer good for America not realizing they’ve fallen asleep at the wheel of life, drugged out on antidepressants and the mind-numbing propaganda pumped out by the MSM 24/7/365.
Little will they realize their plight is due to the fact they’d forgotten how both to read and think for themselves along with engaging in massive, old fashioned, down home protests nationwide, seemingly defacto terrorism in these end times for the Republic.
I’m actually hoping for a Thor’s hammer level geological disaster to occur in 2012 because the only thing that can effect a sea change concerning the madness that has seemingly taken over planet earth is for our Mother the Earth to roll over in her bunk and drag her sheets; ie., the earth’s crust along with all the human lice that have become a planetary irritant for her.
Carl Nemo **==
No balls , no walls to hang inadequacies upon.
Such in of itself, fouls perception today with nearly haunted matter whence man hides the purgatory of war in the fine print..
Whence did ” He ” ” master of INFO ” arise, and could he,
meld and intertwine a long enough rope to hang us all ?
Face it boys and girls, we are Americans first, without that we are a mob, and please I know what that spells backwards.
If we continue UK policy, corporate right left, central containment of riches our children will have to overrun chaos.
Not a pretty picture.
Amen brother.
I’m not sure I have it yet Al,
else Doug lets contributors fly and reaffirm our love and trust akin to the Free Press..
One should be very careful about using the ‘T’ word to describe activities carried out by some in the Teabag movement. It’s a slippery slope. We could easily see the government itching to use some of it’s “Patriot Act” powers of warrant-less searches, indefinite detentions, etc. on American citizens. Don’t use that darned ‘T’ word unless you really mean it.
Careful, careful, careful.
—W—
Call it f what it is. During the BushCo administration, anyone disagreeing with their horrid policies was labled a terrorist or at best a terrorist enabler, and there were none of the shenanigans we see with the T-party goons. Terrorist acts constitute terrorism. Cutting a gas line of the brother of a Congressman is an act of terrorism. Quit protecting these monsters.
No, it’s *vandalism*. An act of destroying another’s property. Certainly unlawful, hazardous, and not condoned. But it is not terrorism. I quote from the Merriam-Webster online dictionary:
What has happened is not “systematic” and it is not “terror”. It is rudeness, threats and vandalism.
As soon as you start allowing the government to label anyone it doesn’t like, who makes threats or commits vandalism as a “terrorist” you open the door to massive abuse of the powers of the “Patriot Act” for political purposes.
I say again in capital letters: CAREFUL CAREFUL CAREFUL.
—W—
One of Webster’s definition of terrorism:
“the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.”
I’d say rocks through windows, threats delivered through the mail, threatening voice mails, etc. fit that definition.
I’ll be very careful here. Those who issue those threats are guilty of terrorism. Those who support those who commit those acts are equally guilty.
You mean like this government does day in and day out?
I would have to wonder just how many of these people are agents provocateur?
The fact that no one’s been arrested or even questioned over these makes we wonder how much of this is staged for public consumption. After all, in this hyper-sensitive state of fear you would think there would be some charges being filed, no?
And just in case you’re thinking that this precious government of ours wouldn’t carry on this type of activity, here are a few teasers for you…
Denver Post
U.K. Guardian
Disclose TV
World Net Daily
Notice in the last story that it was revealed in court testimony that Turner was an FBI-trained agent provocateur.
Yes we really do have to watch. Any government that would do this would certainly prosecute any one of us.
Dear Sir,
now we define,
can the terrorist be terrorized when he’s on break ?
What would Madison say?
Doug, what you’ve succeeded in pointing out is the extremely binary nature of the logic presently in use, and especially the ambiguous threshold between ‘true’ and ‘false’. Apparently all one need do is agree with a Tea Party’er that the sky is blue to be branded a terrorist by agreement.
Since I don’t care to be labeled a thought criminal I think I’ll just back off this sort of discussion from now on.
—W—
Warren:
When a husband put his wife in fear of her life through either mental or physical torture, they are — under the law — terrorizing that person. Does that make them a terrorist? Yes, a domestic one, which is what I said the Tea Party extremists are guilty of as long as they engage in acts of violence or threats against another person.
It is ludicrous to minimize threats or actual violence as “vandalism.” Are those who bomb abortion clinics and kill people “vandals” or “terrorists?” They’re terrorists. Are those who wish violence, physical harm or even death on elected officials who didn’t vote the way they wanted vandals, pranksters or persons committing criminal acts? In my opinion, they are engaging in the criminal act of terrorizing other people and they are guilty of domestic terrorism.
I find it incredibly naive to dismiss such acts as “vandalism” or to caution others to be careful about calling them what they are just as I find it naive to rationalize their actions with claims like “well the government does it too.”
Rev. Solovksoy,
It might be time for the Republicans to stop threatening to pull up their panties and go home because the don’t like the way the game is being played.
I’m tired of hearing, “We’re not able to get our voice out because the Obama Administratrion and the majority Congress is locking us out of the legislative process by conducting business behind closed door.”
Their behavior is less than juvenile. There is nothing, and I mean nothing that has prevented the Republicans from offering, to the American people, alternative legislative proposals…and I mean NOTHING.
As a recovering Republican, and now I might add that I consider myself a political atheist…one of the very reasons I seperated myself from the Republican Party is because they have excluded so many American’s from their agenda which includes so many phobias that I can’t count them all. But to make matters worse, the very things that they preach against and condemn others for are the very behaviors that they are conducting behind closed doors.
In other words, Rev, the Republican Party…and let’s throw in Tea Party members are hardcore holier than thou hypocrites.
I for one, am tired of the hell, fire, and brime stone rhetoric spewed out by the Conservative movement, or if you will – NeoCons and Republican talking heads. I’m sorry, but that just won’t sooth and quiet down the sinning souls of the so-called savages…AKA “Liberal /Democrat Amercans”.
It is BY CHOICE that the Republicans have removed themselves from the political process of debate and compormise. So be it. They will also reap what they sow.
Our country has serious problems and as far as I’m concerned, I hope America has the balls to fire every incumbent in Washington, regardless of their political affiliation. The days of the 535 dictators need to come to an end.
Oh Gosh, I’m sorry, I must have repeated my post on this thread.
I’m glad that the passage of this bill has precipitated an inordinate amount of a “jerk’em by the shorthairs” type fear on the part of our corrupt Congressmen.
For too many years these elected clowns have thought the process is simply a game they play when they arrive in D.C. while we’re supposed to swallow their legislative crap and say thankyou with a smile on our collective “sh*t smeared” faces. I think not! : |
For years I’ve advocated people to picket their Congressional reps offices on a state basis. Forget D.C. just shine a mighty spotlight on their shenanigans back home in Mayberry, USA.
Sometimes fear acts as a condensate for “focus” concerning the needs of those you are supposed to represent; ie., “We the People” and not their D.C. embraced corporate sponsors.
Carl Nemo **==
Hi Woody188,
Since a reply to your post has been “gray-shaded”; ie. , blocked for political correctness purposes” I thought I’d reply with a compliment to your heartfelt, honest reply concerning your family circumstances. Thanks from all of us that both admire and respect candor. : )
Carl Nemo **==
I think perhaps you are having browser issues again. When I mouseover the reply buttons they light up red and are active.
But thanks Carl. I don’t live very high on the hog and that is OK. It’s not the worst place I’ve lived. My wife and I are fairly modest people. I am what I am and that’s all that I am. Can’t take it with you anyhow. Just remember what was said when I’m gone.
Hi Woody188,
I see the “red button”, but the word “reply” is missing in some cases and the button is dead. They seem to be related to posts that have escalated into contentiousness between posters, but now I’m witnessing the same on a few posts that are innocuous too?
Yes, some of mine were missing the word “reply” but were still active. The preview button sometimes does not work for me on Firefox 3.6.2.
It’s not about contentiousness, I think, just a bug.
Lets see,
if foot locker intact ready for inspection,
politicians will be required to fall out
or fall down, for short arm inspection.
Recall.. It.can behaviorist to greed.
Now i understand why our founding fathers feared giving power to the uneducated common man. Idiots.
Well that’s half of what they thought anyhow. Washington, Madison, Jefferson, and Franklin were strong advocates of English republicanism. It’s why we ended in a republic and not a democracy. Odd that you would reference their fear that the poor would plunder the rich, when it’s the rich that have plundered the poor in our modern times.
Go back to school.
Woody isn’t confused, he’s a murderous advocate of terrorism. He belongs to a small, fanatical minority which thinks its the American people. No more than 20-30% of Americans agree with him about the issue, and only a small proportion of them support murder the way Woody does. But it only takes a few murderers to turn a country around.
True, I am tired of watching the plutocracy laugh at us while they steal from our grandchildren. Staying within the current paradigm ensures their victory over us as they control the banks, media, and military/government. They count the votes we cast. They provide the media slant/bias. They use psyops against our own people like Firdous Square in Baghdad. They torture, rape, and disappear people around the world. They order summary executions via Predator drone. But yes, I’m the one you should fear.
The drug sham that Bush pushed on Seniors, where was the outcry about “forcing” seniors to take the insurance. Oh, did I hear someone say that we were not “forced” to buy it?? I beg your pardon, when someone tells you that either you buy it or bace a penalty if you ever do buy it, what in the hell is that??? And then see a 40% jump in the premiums in one year and the sorry ass Attorney General of Va. wastes his time in suing the Federal Government, come on. He should be going after the insurance companies for “robberY”
Not a problem anymore since medicare is out the window, huh?
“I wouldn’t ignore over 60% of my constituents and vote against them in favor of insurance companies. I would uphold my oath to the Constitution and my promise to represent my constituents and not myself. ”
You are a confused man. First recent polls have shown a majority of American are in favor of the health bill now that they are finally understanding what it ACTUALLY does. Clearly, neither the Health Care Bill, nor the Constitution of the United States, are documents in which you have any comprehension of. You seem to be advocating the fact the government has lost touch with the average citizen, “Joe Six-pack”. I agree. However, how would a vote in favor of big business (Insurance companies) be a vote for “Joe Six-pack”? How could any sane person, with any sort of moral values, call the endangerment of fellow AMERICAN woman and children collateral damages?
I feel this country is headed in a very dark direction. Americans have a right to be angry at the way congress currently operates. However, this frustration has been purposely misguided by conservatives through media figures like Glenn Beck. Glenn Beck has absolutely no education or expertise in history, political science, economics, law, or business. If only Americans were properly educated in civics and history maybe they would not be so easily manipulated. Maybe our most sacred document would not twisted and used as a front for fringes of racism and hate. For these people are truly a dishonor to their country.
Honestly, is anybody REALLY surprised that the Tea Party turned out to be a TERRORIST organization? I didn’t think so.
Oh, bullshit.
Thomas,
Don’t you think this is a bit convenient for the democrats? They look like martyrs now.
The claims of racials slurs and spitting have not been proved and despite all the fliming, no one has it on tape. The racism crap is the BHO MO.
Unless and until a full investigation is completed, I will reserve my judgement. I suggest others do the same.
Convenient? DEATH THREATS ARE CONVENIENT?
Shame on you, Sherry, although I suspect that you have none, otherwise you would not defend the indefensible. Look to today’s Moscow to see what happens when people start using violence for political means. You’d like that to happen here, wouldn’t you? Given your statements, I bet you’d jump for joy when the Tea Baggers kill someone. I repeat, SHAME ON YOU.
The natural liberty of man is to be free from any superior power on Earth, and not to be under the will or legislative authority of man, but only to have the law of nature for his rule.
Samuel Adams
How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!
Samuel Adams
It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds.
Samuel Adams
Mankind are governed more by their feelings than by reason.
Samuel Adams
The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil constitution, are worth defending against all hazards: And it is our duty to defend them against all attacks.
Samuel Adams
Among the natural rights of the colonists are these: First a right to life, secondly to liberty, and thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can.
Samuel Adams
He who is void of virtuous attachments in private life is, or very soon will be, void of all regard for his country. There is seldom an instance of a man guilty of betraying his country, who had not before lost the feeling of moral obligations in his private connections.
Our contest is not only whether we ourselves shall be free, but whether there shall be left to mankind an asylum on earth for civil and religious liberty.
Samuel Adams
The Constitution shall never be construed… to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.
Samuel Adams
Which is more cowardly, vandalizing homes or politicians afraid to face the public they have voted against?
Vandalizing homes and putting innocent woman and children in danger.
They are merely speaking in one of the two languages the rich and powerful understand.
What if that were your home and that propane tank went off while your wife or kids were there? Would that change your view of things? So tell me who is the true coward, the vandle or the politician?
Wouldn’t be my home or my wife and kids. I’d never vote for a bill I never read. I wouldn’t ignore over 60% of my constituents and vote against them in favor of insurance companies. I would uphold my oath to the Constitution and my promise to represent my constituents and not myself. So your rhetorical question is precisely that.
Now had I done those things, I wouldn’t be surprised if people came with torches, pitchforks and a noose.
I am sorry they ended up at the wrong address, but that is something the military would refer to as collateral damage. Make no mistake, this is class warfare.
They fired the first shots. Now they want to whine and cry how it’s unfair that they can’t ruin other people’s lives with impunity. There are consequences for your actions. Accountability is not something these politicians are used to being held to. Main Street is fed up. If Congress continues to ignore Joe Six-pack, Joe is going to come a knocking and he won’t accept political advantage and re-election as an excuse for destroying his livelihood and future.
“I wouldn’t ignore over 60% of my constituents and vote against them in favor of insurance companies. I would uphold my oath to the Constitution and my promise to represent my constituents and not myself. ”
You are a confused man. First recent polls have shown a majority of American are in favor of the health bill now that they are finally understanding what it ACTUALLY does. Clearly, neither the Health Care Bill, nor the Constitution of the United States, are documents in which you have any comprehension of. You seem to be advocating the fact the government has lost touch with the average citizen, “Joe Six-pack”. I agree. However, how would a vote in favor of big business (Insurance companies) be a vote for “Joe Six-pack”? How could any sane person, with any sort of moral values, call the endangerment of fellow AMERICAN woman and children collateral damages?
I feel this country is headed in a very dark direction. Americans have a right to be angry at the way congress currently operates. However, this frustration has been purposely misguided by conservatives through media figures like Glenn Beck. Glenn Beck has absolutely no education or expertise in history, political science, economics, law, or business. If only Americans were properly educated in civics and history maybe they would not be so easily manipulated. Maybe our most sacred document would not twisted and used as a front for fringes of racism and hate. For these people are truly a dishonor to their country.
I am not confused, quite the contrary. I can cite my facts. I do hope you are not referring to the USA Today poll that has such a high margin of error that it can’t be taken as statistically accurate. Can you even state with any accuracy what exactly the bill does? You can’t because no one has really even read it.
I never said a vote for insurance companies helped Joe-sixpack. I stated the opposite.
I never said endangering women and children was collateral damage. I stated that is what our military commonly calls the deaths of innocent people they kill and maim.
I’ve never watched Glenn Beck so I can’t comment on his stances. I prefer to form my opinions on the facts as I know them and not believe some corporate shill talking head that parrots globalist and corporatist (fascist) propaganda.
The fact remains the Federal government has no power to force individuals into interstate commerce by requiring mandatory health insurance. And some people are apparently going to be violently opposed to being forced into what is essentially insurance slavery, and it is their right to do so as free people. Like Don Rumsfeld said, “Freedom is messy.”
Polls are for sheep who wait for their opinion to be mandated for them and who will not step till follow is the beckon call.
Look around at the ponzi / poker game our corporate government has become.
Do any here not believe they have taken Chaos theory and applied it to we citizens ?
Kickem when they’re up, kickem when they’re down,”Henley”.
Why else would the likes of 90% serve as shoe leather for the 10%er’s and let it go?
Life is 50-50, so is political media, flip a coin, flip a nation, it becomes like pablum to the baby fore they can’t feed themselves.
We have the criers and the liars, individualism is dead, you must conform. We say so… and we will provide your latest acronym call to action….Hack !
I think maybe you should start a campaign against mandated auto insurance. As far as I know, whether you like it or not, auto insurance is mandated in all 50 states.
Obviously it’s a rich mans attempt to get our money because I have never been in an accident requiring my use of this mandatory insurance in 30 years of driving. By now I should have paid enough to cover replacement of 10 Miata that I drive.
If you can find fault in mandatory protection for the health of your family when we know for a fact that all children get sick, and most adults too, then you should really find fault in auto insurance unless of course you can’t get past the first red light without hitting someone.
But I suppose on the flip side there is that anger we all have about being hit by someone who does not have auto insurance, you know, when you have to pay for the damage yourself. Isn’t that sort of like when we all pay more for our healthcare premiums because healthcare is provided for all, healthcare insurance or not.
The difference being I can ride a bike, take a bus, and walk and get around mandatory car insurance. Living isn’t a privilege like driving is and therefore, your comparison is not appropriate.
We have a choice about whether to own a car. I have no problem with mandated car insurance.
Mandating health insurance is a horse of a different color.
The big difference between mandatory health care insurance and automobile insurance is embedded in the statement, “mandated in all 50 states.”
It’s a state requirement, and the proposed mandatory health care insurance is to become a federal requirement. They use the interstate commerce clause, and Woody 188 mentioned that. The question of whether the federal government has the authority to require us to buy health insurance will go to the Supreme Court. They, in turn, will decide if the Interstate Commerce clause of the US (not state) Constitution can be stretched that far, or if the new law’s claim that this is taxation, will stand.
People differ on understanding of the complex legal questions, but it will probably be settled in favor of the new law.
That, of course, is one person’s opinion. However, the fact remains that there’s a big difference in what level of government gets to mandate that we all buy insurance.
“Wouldn’t be my home or my wife and kids. I’d never vote for a bill I never read. ”
And neither did the Congressman’s brother, I would point out. And it WAS his home. So if someone erroneously pointed out your home as the home of a Congressman they it WOULD be your ass in a sling.
This is what happens when the lunatic fringe thinks they are entitled to take any actions they wish to get their points across. Those points being the ones beside the holes in their heads.
They are terrorists.
Yes, they did get the address wrong. Of course my family is armed and know how to shoot. And I seriously doubt anyone would mistake my modest 1600 sq. ft. home for the home of anyone of consequence. Too poor to be in politics.
Congressmen would probably be afraid to come around my neighborhood. We’ve only had a couple of shootings and home invasions over the last decade within 2 blocks of my home. But there was that meth lab and the homeless hanging out in all the empty foreclosed houses that were stripped of their pipes and wiring for scrap. But I do get your point. Random bad things happen particularly during troubled times such as we find ourselves.
I feel I know the outrage and betrayal many of these folks are feeling and I can see how it can lead to violent ends. Plutocracies lie and abuse their lower class citizens until they stop them. Unfortunately, the only languages plutocracies understand are money and violence. (Note the penalties for not carrying health insurance are monetary and violence via prison.) Since they have all the money, where does that leave us?
I didn’t make the rules friend. I’m merely pointing them out. Am I part of the lunatic fringe?
Guess I’d rather be a free lunatic than an insurance slave. The worst part is, I carry insurance now. I just don’t like being told I have to carry it. Pretty smart huh, rock the boat over principle against my own well being to preserve our liberties. Yeah I’m a political rocket scientist.
Woody, thanks for the hat pin , and might I add ?
When it changes to ” Joe job hunter ” , ” Elmer Underemployed ” or ” Where have all the Soldiers gone ” then the alphabet movements will reveal their slimy underbellies to say,
Ooh , what’s that banana peel doin under that there Constitution ?
I got Rush on tape !….Flee, flee !
It’s truly becoming a seedy side show of duck you’ve been enemy-ized, whom ever you is,
we’ll keep it on a need to know basis.
If memory serves this is how the war between the states began.
It’s plain we must trim this craft to keep on even plane, and as you say the ignorance is incumbent to the highest reaches and the lowest grotto, and this nation would not find Herself in this predicament if the most simple of principle were followed.
The Oath of Office.
Actually, Byran, I think it’s how the Revolutionary war started. Think of all those patriots that were called traitors by the “reasonable” folk. They were just Rabble Rousers itchin’ to kill and cause trouble! Terrorists!…they were. Yep, first generation Tea Partiers.
Roll over Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Adams, Revere… your homeland – the one you fought and many DIED for… has gone astray.
Clearly, people acting – acting – acting – on their most closely held principles is scaring the hell out of much of this crowd. But then, which ones actually have something to lose… something being taken from them?
All of us, that’s who.
Al,
I’ve been thinking about when I’ll never be dictator and applause for the caretakers and originators is as symphonic as the query,
when and how is the 536 Twilight Zone backed by resolve going to turn on the light ,” keep my Oath”.
They did they’re job !
Showed all, it can work. Originators that is.
Uphold the lightest, and protect the weak,
” you “, will be surprised, but it’s gonna take 4yr’s, by then you won’t have a foyer or a fiver, what’s next on survivor ?
It’s right in front if the fringe that can’t be bought which includes,
Me and the Wars Sucks Crowd.
Tea Party Activists are currently operating as domestic terrorists.
They are threatening leadership and citizens. They are conducting violent
acts against Americans on American soil. They are agents of hate not agents
of change. They are inciting violence and intimidation with the help of the RNC, GOP and FOX NEWS. These groups are no longer operating within the limits of the law or with any integrity or morality. Tea Party = Terrorism. Flying a plane into an IRS Building is not patriotic it is illegal. Tea Party Activists need to be monitored and apprehended for every act of violence they commit!
I don’t believe it was the TEA Party activists who fired shots at the offices of republican Eric Cantor.
So must we now assume since Cantor is Jewish this was a hate crime by liberal Democrats?
Could this have been incited by the likes of MSNBC? Arrest Keith Olbermann now! LOL
want to retract your implicit accusation? Even Cantor admits he was not a target. But, gas lines were cut, death threats were sent, and so far, 100% of the threats and acts of violence comes from the Tea Bagger sect of the GOP.
It is about time the Republicans and the People start using the Democrat play book and give them some of their own medicine.
You reap what you sow.
Rev. Solovksoy,
It might be time for the Republicans to stop threatening to pull up their panties and go home because the don’t like the way the game is being played.
I’m tired of hearing, “We’re not able to get our voice out because the Obama Administratrion and the majority Congress is locking us out of the legislative process by conducting business behind closed door.”
Their behavior is less than juvenile. There is nothing, and I mean nothing that has prevented the Republicans from offering, to the American people, alternative legislative proposals…and I mean NOTHING.
As a recoverying Republican, and now I might add that I consider myself a political atheist…one of the very reasons I seperated myself from the Republican Party is because they have excluded so many American’s from their agenda which includes so many phobias that I can’t count them all. But to make matters worse, the very things that they preach against and condemn others for are the very behaviors that they are conducting behind closed doors.
In other words, Rev, the Republican Party…and let’s throw in Tea Party members are hardcore holier than thou hypocrites.
I for one, am tired of the hell, fire, and brime stone rhetoric spewed out by the Conservative movement, or if you will – NeoCons and Republican talking heads. I’m sorry, but that just won’t sooth and quiet down the sinning souls of the so-called savages…AKA “Liberal /Democrat Amercans”.
It is BY CHOICE that the Republicans have removed themselves from the political process of debate and compormise. So be it. They will also reap what they sow.
Our country has serious problems and as far as I’m concerned, I hope America has the balls to fire every incumbent in Washington, regardless of their political affiliation. The days of the 535 dictators need to come to an end.
you mean, they have to start using their brains for a change? I like that one, too!
Today’s GOP is as far as possible from the Party that gave us Lincoln, and a whole slew of sane, rational, and effective leaders.
Dear Josh,
I’m sorry you are so consumed by misinformation and hatred. I wish you well, and hope someday you find healing.
Lock them all up – take away their civil rights, jail them for hate speech and hurting the feeling of liberals. Then water board them and send them to Gitmo because they disagree with the democrats.
And when they won’t finally shut up Gulag them and concentrate camp them for extermination because they are less that human for speaking out and using their freedom of speech.
Hey, I think you are onto something. At least, part of that stuff.
Rob how did I know you would agree with that comment??
Woman’s intuition?
Hey Josh, get a grip. Look at what people are saying regularly over on FOX News; “Democrats are evil”… “I HATE This president and everything he stands for”… For more, just head on over to FOX. And on HuffPo, as here, people are just as angry at the Tea Baggers for their desire to foist their beliefs on everyone else, their intransigent hatred of anyone who disagrees with them, and their complete disregard for facts.
Bush shredded our economy, our long-standing system of checks and balances built up over decades against fraud, and sent our jobs and assets overseas. We’re all suffering the results of his policies, and you bet Americans are angry. Political pundits are taking advantage of that anger for their own profit and power, pouring inflammatory misinformation out upon us all to keep us fighting one another instead of picking up shovels and putting this nation back together.
So get over identifying yourself as being a conservative or a liberal, and start remembering you’re an American. If you don’t like angry hate speech directed against those you agree with, then don’t use it against those you disagree with. Just don’t use it. You’re a Reverend, for crying out loud. What happened to “Turn the other cheek”?
This country needs everyone. Start listening and stop stabbing.
We cannot sit back and allow for this anger, mongering and festering to continue. Something has to change…or something is going to happen. And it will not be pretty. So they must all go. Sarah Palin must go. Her publicist daughter, Bristol Palin, must go. And they can pack up the rest of their Northern Lights, hillbilly family while they are at it and just get out of Dodge. Read more of my rantings at Huffington Post approved Blog, IMeanWhat?!? at https://bit.ly/d6ZGH5
They actually spit on our representatives and shout out racist words such as nigger and fagot. They make death threats and attempt to burn down homes of those who disagree with their twisted view of this country. These people are no different then the south’s KKK and just as dangerous. They are no more then cowardly scum who it seems have no jobs or lives outside of their twisted world of hatred. Yes, they are indeed domestic terrorist!!
Guess what Bill, most of them drink coffee..
and caffeine as we know,
is a cup of Joe, drill instructors told me so.
Drums of America, amplified with media hysteria bring heretofore rational people out of their homes much like a heat or hunger.
We’ve been on our asses so long,
that it’s becoming difficult to find our axis.
Do you think Bill , that honest discernment rolls around the DC squirrel cage?
That they like you?
Just askin.
Has any middle American got a chance ?
The “race card” is becoming so silly and obvious that its actually backfiring…lol…
It is entirely possible that one can share all or most of their views, and not be racist or bigotted. I know many people like that. To call them racists and compare this movement to the KKK strikes me as nothing other than a political ploy, likely being run by shills (or worse, dimwitted brainwashed partyline followers). The political views of the Tea Party movement are more closely aligned with what the founding fathers wanted than either of the major US political parties. Don’t believe me? Read the Federalist Papers.
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