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Palin’s plummenting poll problem

Sarah Palin: Trouble in right wing paradise?

A new Bloomberg poll shows Sarah Palin‘s 15 minutes of fame and glory is coming to an end.

Nationally, 60 percent of voters now have a an unfavorable view of Palin while moe than half — 38 percent view her “very” unfavorable.  That rating is higher than the combined ratings of Newt Gingrich, Chris Christie and Donald Trump.

Only 33 percent of those polled had a favorable view of the Alaska Governor who quit before her term ended and was the vice presidential candidate in John McCain‘s losing Presidential campaign in 2008.

Palin’s problems don’t end with polls. Her comments about shooting of Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords have left Fox News boss Roger Ailes pissed and some say Palin may lose her job over the dispute.

New York magazine says Ailes warned Palin not to make a video about the shootings and also not to use the term “blood libel” if she did.

Gabriel Sherman writes:

Palin’s video came days after the shooting, during a time when people had wondered why she had made no extended public statement about the tragedy and when some were citing her “crosshairs” map as an example of extreme political imagery that was contributing to a violent national climate. Palin was reacting to the latter when she accused journalists of “manufacturing a blood libel” by, in her view, charging her as complicit in the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.

According to Sherman, though, Palin called Ailes before making the video. She complained that the media were blaming her for the shooting, and expressed a desire to respond to her critics. Ailes said that would be a bad idea.

“Lie low,” he said. “There’s no need to inject yourself into the story.” Sherman writes that Palin said her lawyer and other confidantes had given her the same advice. Of course, she didn’t follow that advice, and made the video. Ailes was not happy.

Fox insiders say the incident has destroyed the relationship between Ailes and Palin may lose her $1 million a year gig as an analyst at the network.

Mika Brzezinski on Monday’s “Morning Joe” show on MSNBC predicted Ailes will “dump” Palin but said he Fox News head is getting what he deserved with Palin’s gaffes.

“They knew what they were getting into with her,” she said, referring to Fox News.

Writes Jonathan Martin and John F. Harris on Politico:

Sarah Palin has played the sexism card, accusing critics of chauvinism against a strong woman.

She has played the class card, dismissing the Bush family as “blue bloods” and complaining that she is the target of snobbery by people who dislike her simply because she is “not so hoity-toity.”

Most famously, she has played the victim card — never more vividly than when she invoked the loaded phrase “blood libel” against liberals and media commentators in the wake of the Gabrielle Giffords shooting.

Palin’s flamboyant rhetoric always has thrilled supporters, but lately it is coming at a new cost: a backlash, not from liberals but from some of the country’s most influential conservative commentators and intellectuals.

Palin’s politics of grievance and group identity, according to these critics, is a betrayal of conservative principles. For decades, it was a standard line of the right that liberals cynically promoted victimhood to achieve their goals and that they practiced the politics of identity — race, sex and class—over ideas. (Related: Republicans learn cost of attacking Palin)

Among those taking aim at Palin in recent interviews with POLITICO are George F. Will, the elder statesman of conservative columnists; Peter Wehner, a top strategist in George W. Bush’s White House, and Heather Mac Donald, a leading voice with the right-leaning Manhattan Institute.

Matt Labash, a longtime writer for the Weekly Standard, said that because of Palin’s frequent appeals to victimhood and group grievance, “She’s becoming Al Sharpton, Alaska edition.”

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34 thoughts on “Palin’s plummenting poll problem”

  1. No comments from anyone here on the Rasmussen poll today
    Obama fav. 42% Unfav 56% but plenty of negativity about Palin.

  2. Once again a four word headline,
    draws ever nearer opine,
    to prove our foolish lust,
    is as great as our human diminution..walleye.

  3. Ignore this lady. We have a lot of big problems. And we let the crazy bunch steal our attention.

    Read “Common Sense 3.1” at ( )

    We don’t have to live like this anymore. “Spread the News”

    • The site you continually provide a link to is a joke. It offers no solutions and no definitive direction. Just trust the computer geeks and we’ll all live happily ever after in cyberworld.

      • Some folks just don’t think other posters’ links have any substance. What to do, what to do?

        To click, or not to click, that is the question. Is it better to waste one’s time in satisfying curiosity, or to learn from one’s mistakes and resist following numbnutted twittershite and call “bullhocky” as a matter of course?

        Credibility, wherefore art thou?

        • And some folks have nothing better to do than troll this site with the obvious singular purpose of busting my balls. But that’s cool, asstroll, I can take it.

          He posts the same bullshit every day. And of course, like yourself, I retain the right to comment on it. And I did.

          • My, my.. Is that the sword of the righteous?

            I just thought it worthy of comment that someone who freely links to similar twittershite can complain about another’s choice of link. Sometimes balls deserve to be busted.

            We all post here in hopes of getting a response, I thought you’d be gratified.

            • logtroll I once made a promise that I wouldn’t intervene in a ‘site moderator’ sense concerning yours or anyone elses post to this site.

              I’ve read some of your material on RR and you are definitely capable of posting high order material especially your energy related comments in conjunction with my “Cold Fusion” engagement on RR.

              Both Griff and yourself are smart, witty, engagng posters. Why oh why do you continually engage in attacks on the man with reference to his “opinions” concerning global warming or whatever? It’s simply his opinion. Differ, but with gentility and some supplied datum.

              I task myself to write posts that are educational and site friendly in terms of how readers might perceive them. Never do I fear a difference in opinion; in fact, I welcome such. It keeps the juices flowing…no? : D

              Why don’t we try to get along. You attacked with a ‘Twitter” line of invective towards Griff and started on a roll concerning a knock down dragged out mile long ‘flame’ concerning this issue.

              In turn I tried to interject some educational content via the Scotese link which has won many wards, while supplying the fact that the earth is coming out of a geological era that’s considered a “cold earth’. We can only get hotter regardless of our CO2 emissions. We’ll just speed things up, but its inevitable. I posted this for Griff’s benefit too in order that he can feel well about his argument that our current gaggle of global warming scientists who blame it on humankind are full of it too. When things get ultimately warm then there will be warm, beachfront property at the South Pole too. Check the landmass under the S-pole. The ice’s trapped fossil record you see ferns and other flora and fauna that indicates things were quite hot on this planet in the past, regardless of modern technological societies’ CO2 emissions into the climatological algorithm that’s still from complete in order to ken an ultimate answer.

              When it comes global, planetary changes in climate; efforts on humankind’s behalf is futile. There are no solutions, we’re simply victims of the dynamic of planetary change. : )


              Carl Nemo **==

              • Re: paragraph 7

                “The ice’s trapped fossil record” …extract

                should read:

                “Analyzing fossils found in the land beneath the ice you see ferns…”

                My apologies for ‘drifting’… : )

                Carl Nemo **==

              • Cap’n,

                Please note that I am not that interested in the climate change arguments, as I think that anyone with hardened opinions on what is happening is bound to be at least partly wrong. My posts ala griff have been about the scurrilous technique of herding strawmen into a corral and then opening fire.

                What you view as continuous attacks on his opinions has actually been an effort to highlight his rather strong tendency to support his opinions, in part, through defining his enemy and then attacking that imaginary foe, while lumping anybody and everybody into the shooting gallery.

                For instance, griff posted a link to some comments regarding the recent earthquakes in Japan having some connection to glocbal warming. His introduction to the link was dripping with sarcasm about how global warming religionists all think this way. I followed the link just to see what was up and found that it was a site that posted twitter comments, hardly the stuff of confirming that global warming religionists (using that word that itself is not respectful or reasonable in climate change discussions) are all Glenn Beckian fools.

                Above, griff now says about another person’s post, “The site you continually provide a link to is a joke. It offers no solutions and no definitive direction.”

                My point, exactly.

                • Thanks for the explanation. Now I know the reasoning behind your ‘challenges’ to Griff’s posts. I thought you were attacking him simply to hassle him. I didn’t pick up on the “twitter part’ per se, but simply the overall article content concerning people linking earthquakes to global warming.

                  It’s interesting to contemplate that if a major ice cap or glacier melts to a point that there’s less pressure on the plate beneath it, then this could cause some adjustments in the mantle due to the decreased mass over the once glaciated area. Of course we haven’t moved that far along yet for such to happen. The Greenland glacier which is retreating would be an example affecting not only ocean currents, but the North American vs. the European plate contact zones along with modifying the climatology in the Northern hemisphere towards far colder weather patterns.

                  Carl Nemo **==

  4. Glenn Beck is Going Rogue with Sarah Palin : Roger Ailes Legacy, Glenn Beck, and Sarah Palin – NEWS?

    First, Roger Ailes of Fox News lost control of Sarah Palin with her comments on the shooting in Arizona. Now Roger Ailes has really lost control of Glenn Beck. Plus Beck will get worst as he approaches the end of his contract with Fox New Corp. Actually, when you think about the issues with Beck and Palin, is it really news? What kind of journalism is Fox News, Mr. Ailes? You represented the best, Presidents, Congressmen, you have gotten people elected to office, why are you playing Mickey Mouse games with cartoon characters? You remind me of Barbara Walters. Barbara Walters represented the United States of America by interviewing the Mao, the Chairman of China, Kings, Prime Ministers, Queens, now she will be remembered for fighting with entertainers on the View – Mr. Roger Ailes, is that what you want for your LEGACY? Glenn Beck? Sarah Palin? Clowns that only care about attention, but NEVER the News?

    Thomas Chi

  5. Sorry kids. Love these liberal polls but Palin is one of the top three contenders and Obama is showing a strong 43% negative approval rating.

    • Bless you. Just keep up that cockeyed optimism, Mary. I’m sure Palin find that kind of never-say-die support encouraging.

  6. Re: Sandune: “Women who live lives to be proud of are embarrassed by women like Palin.”

    Specifically, how did you arrive at this conclusion? A poll? Did you mean ALL women or is this merely unsupported bile that is a projection of your own embarrassment about your own life?

    My wife is a doctor; I have a sister who is an appellate attorney, a sister-in-law who teaches at an Ivy league school, and a niece at the Naval Academy. Insofar as I can tell, given they don’t speak about it, they give every indication of being reasonably proud of their lives.

    A final consideration: it doesn’t matter if you have met anyone who would vote for Palin: the fact of the matter is by even the wildest most skewed and floored polls, she would receive somewhere between 30% and 40% of the electorate
    in a national election.

    Your presumption that no one would vote for her and that a woman would have to have a serious self-image problem to see her in a favorable light doesn’t pass the laugh test.

    The ultimate irony is that it will be voters like you whose emotions have been hijacked who will in all likelihood reduce the chances of Obama’s reelection: no general can lead an army of soldiers that believe their enemy is not worthy of respect.

    • Why do you need to drag out elitist occupations to prove your point? Embarrassed of the female WalMart employee who supports Palin? My guess they are her larger fanbase.

      • Jane, Before I decide to research the base political agenda of any candidate, I need to know how they would handle a situation of a great disaster. As a female I am particularly interested in a female agenda that fits in the Bill of Rights. I attended the Conference when Senator Dole was bring presented as the candidate and I realized that his mind was not sharp enough to take in the massive responsibility of the White House. His wife Elizabeth should have been the candidate but it was not the time to elect a woman. At that time, women did not get equal training unless they were exceptional. If the women voters are exceptional, they would be embarrassed to be seen with a Palin sticker on their car.

        The women in my family are exceptional and very involved in politics and human rights. We all have our organizations promoting more freedoms that many American women would want. Many are teachers, professional musicians and on boards of directors of major organizations.

        I spent 10 years in Arizona and the women’s groups in Sun City share recipes and read books from Oprah’s show. These gals live in fear that a gay couple will move into the community. All gays are pedophiles and must not be allowed on our streets. I attended several meetings but had to stop as I was horrified at the language and terrorist threats coming from new residents who were of the wrong color, the wrong sex and showed other signs of deformity.

        I often assume that members of this site are above average in discussing the agendas of our candidates. I don’t care what Walmart Women want to put in office. Do they even understand the illegal war that our sons and grandsons are dying for? Spent 10 minutes watching television and that should do it for an IQ test. Is Joe the plumber your new hero?

        It could be my advanced age that sends shock waves when I even hear the name Palin. Actually if the Religious Right had their own political candidate then Palin and Huckabee would work for them. I’m certain that many here would back her 100% because it has been obvious for many years that Americans do not want individual freedoms. There is a silent call for Orwell to pull us all together and set our limits for us. The House and Senate would have their laws set in cement and would have 100% control over the prohibitions that must be met quickly. The War on Drugs would be expanded to include all those cute sins that John wrote about in Revelations.

        I was not born an elitist and had to read all the books in my school library before I considered myself equal to the other girls. We had girls from all over the world with every possible background and I felt mediocre coming from the studios. I never even met small town/small minded women like Palin. Our private school was very involved in the elections and we knew what to look for they day we became 21. We knew the basic difference between the left and right and we studied how presidents of each side operated. We understood what a Democrat in the White House would mean and we were pleased when Ike made it to the White House.

        He was the hero of our decade and we read his speeches and his State of the Union words. We visited Wadsworth Hospital every Sunday afternoon and became aware of the number of foreigh born solders who were recovering from terrible wounds. I was born and raised in Santa Monica where white residents were in the majority and we discussed the sacrifices made by our new residents. I went to work for Hughes Aircraft as a tech writer and met Americans who understood the importance of good leadership during the war years. My husband was a University Professor and we discussed the importance of the women’s vote. Women had the responsibility for the family and were more insterest in educating all the kids.

        Somehow the vision of some fat gum-chewing female Walmart shopper dressed to look like a street whore, should be expected to understand politics.

        I do not want to bring Obama down. He has the keys to my White House. The thought of Palin in that position would set me into a panic. Palin should be hired by a Hollywood Studio to take the place of Billie Burke or Zasu Pitts for comic effect in the movies. Margarie Main would be the perfect person to emulate as Main had her dead husband on the set with her for moral support. Palin has her God who looks after her 24/7. He would never let anything happen to her image of self importance.

        One of the smartest women in Hollywood was “Molly” of Fibber McGee fame. they lived down the street from us and we would listen to their radio show in hysterics because of her ability to push a stupid line. Palin would never have to rehearse.

        I guess that today, we no longer require a background of integrity and manners before running for POTUS. We no longer require international manners when dealing with heads of state.

        To me, political discussion should be directed to the highest form of intelligence. Maybe one can pretend to be elite. One cannot pretend to be informed.

  7. Real Americans love Palin!?! Those are the same “Real Americans” that like sticking sticks in their eyes! I give more credit to Real Americans apparently. Real Americans are smart enough to see past a pretty face and see a turd as a turd.

  8. Sarah Palin’s biggest problem is Sarah Palin.

    She feels she has to fight with everybody. And every time she does, she goes lower in the polls.

    She gets snarky with Michelle Obama, Barbara Bush, RINOs like Snow and Murkowski, moderate Democrats like Gabrielle Giffords, comedians like Kathy Griffin, old guard Republicans like Newt Gingrich, conservatives like Rick Santorum.

    And somehow, people think that she can reassemble this group of people she insults and parlay that into a winning candidacy?

  9. Real Americans? Real Americans have no respect for the nation itself. The Paradise dream given to many Americans is always a painting of happy, fat, white women with children looking satisfied with their friends and neighbors. They often atttend demonstrations pointing out their ability to breed themselves over and over. all while being armed with the biggest guns. For some reason they began to take on a Neaderthal walk with arms swinging rudely. They have irritating voices in their attempt to sound more forceful. I would say that many of these strange white women have to be hypnotized to speak words they never bothered to look up.

    Where do these tea party women come from? Born and raised as second class citizens under the direction of their fathers and husbands they find themselves in public without a script. They go through a teen phase where they try out attitudes that often come back as mistakes leav ing them with a terrible reputation. Imagine having to accept the fact that every sexual act must represent a baby. This is nothing but the promotion of a puppy mill keeping the pet stores in cute babies.

    Women who live lives to be proud of are embarrassed by women like Palin, Bachmann and especially those Evangelical husbands of those women who cannot keep their pants on. The Palin people of today relish sins as it gives them a chance to cry in front of others begging for forgiveness from some fairytale character.

    Spare me these awful women and find someone who can balance a simple checkbook. What do you think Palin would do with regard to Japan had she been in the White House? How long would it take Palin to bomb the hell out of Libya? How long would it take for Palin to register all Muslims as potential terrorists? If you know more about Palin’s agenda, share them with us. I have yet to meet any American who would vote for Palin. You sir, are a joke.

    • C’mon Sandy, you crossed a line here with these racist and elitist stereotypes. I don’t like Palin, but let’s not stoop to such a level.

      • I am the epitome of anti racist elitist stereotypes. I may be the only person on this site that demands equal rights for all Americans. I fought off the litmus test that got Bush 43 elected. I analyzed the trade deficits that would, and have torn us into huge debts. Hell yes, I’ve been called insults from people like you cannot fit logic and rationality into today’s politics.

        Have you read Palin’s book, or several written about her? Have read her own words about America being a Christian only nation? She is a typical brainwashed non-thinking female who attended 4 or 5 colleges before calling herself educated. She is the perfect example of a woman who needs to feel superior in her God, her color, her religion. She does not have to think, just pray.

        It is a level of honesty. I have interviewed thousands of Christian women who have been taught since birth to protect all Americans from Satan. Have you spent much time in Idaho, Montana, Nevada and especially Utah? As a whole these people are still in the crusades working to exterminate all non-Christians. Look for a Revival meeting somewhere in your area and learn what it is all about.

        If Palin gets her foot in the door, she will have all Christians armed and ready for the new crusade. All Palin has is her belief that somehow she is worthy of leadership that will take her all the way to the White House.

        Woody, CHB thinks small and must rely on the intelligence others who pop in and out looking for solutions to our self destruction. The human mind will sink to the level of the least effort. When a percentage of Americans pray instead of researching the problems, we will end up in the hands of the incompetent.

        Come on, are boobs and guns enough? Apparently you are not offended by Palin’s disinterest in American actions. Put her in a pretty dress and sit her in the Oval Office and your world is complete.

        The hypocrisy behind this very silly woman, is shocking. We see fools like her every day when a new teen tv star tries to speak without a script. With Palin and here group getting so much attention by the public, it is a kick in the ass for every American who loves our freedoms.

        You’re right I often cross the line when trying to bring out the truth of American values who manage to slip every 8 years, You want me to share what I know from my research? You haven’t the ability to understand what I see happening in America.

        This decade of Katrina, the earthquakes in Indonesia and now Japan has shown millions of americans lost with this information and demanding that God call off the dogs. You can blame everyone else for the problems or you might learn how to control the elements. But I forget that this is the internet where nobody has the responsibility to bring the truth to anyone.

        Americans love the same old problems coming at them over and over. The familiar will always win over until the destruction becomes more than can be accepted.

        There should be room for all points of view. Nothing would have pleased me more than to have Nixon taken away in chains. Americans always believe that the deeper the sin, the greater the salvation. Warning signs are not accepted except as racist or elitist. There is no excuse for allowing corruption to enter any political movement. American people should wake up and research where their money and investments went. I just ordered a book by David Brooks this morning who tries to analyze why many bad things are not recognized. It all starts from within all of us Television has made too many Americans laugh at the actions of killers and cheats. Until we fully recognize right from wrong, there won’t be a damn thing worth saving in our world.

        Take a number Woody and line up the lies being told about Obama and his family. While you’re at it show me one intelligent commentary written by a Republican. Every damn candidate running as a Republicans will do so as a movement to bring the bible into the Constitution. I guess if you are a christian, you have nothing to lose. If you are a Muslim, you must be drooling in your food for the chance to take out the Christians and keep the Muslims. .

        I have a strange level of a perfect government and this half-assed group of politicos are nowhere near my level. There’s nothing new here at CHB and I will move on to where people are honestly pissed off at our government. If there are changes needed, throw out the bullets and grab a ballot.

        • You used to be nice lady that stayed above the fray. Your posts get more confusing and I’m afraid for your mental health. I hope you are talking to someone that can help you.

          No, I have not read Palin’s book. Why would I buy her book and support her when I don’t like her from what I’ve already seen and heard of her?

          My mother is Mormon. She worked long hours as a registered nurse on the Medicaid floor of Akron General. She is a registered Democrat and does not support Palin. So much for your stereotype of Mormon women.

          I was born into the Mormon church. While I’m no longer Mormon, I do go to a Lutheran church. I do not like Palin. I’m an Independent. I support your right to worship however you choose, or not to worship at all. Get an abortion and use birth control, I could care less.

          I do enjoy the writing of Paul Craig Roberts. He was an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration. I believe he is still registered Republican. Ron Paul is also a registered Republican. You only asked for one intelligent commentary from a Republican, but I hope you look into both.

          I’m afraid there is no perfect government, as we all have our own ideas and no two of us are alike. I hope you can see you are becoming just like those you are railing against, closed-minded, unwavering in your beliefs, and placing people into groups based on ill-conceived notions of what they must believe and feel via their associations.

  10. I’m a tea party member and a long time conservative. Since the election of 2008, I have gone from really liking Palin, to feeling ambivalent about her, getting tired of hearing about her and finally, I am sick to death of her. I think my disillusionment started when she quit her job as Governor of Alaska and tried to spin it to her victim imagery of herself. I have come to the conclusion that she is nothing more than a politician who has turned into a whining, embittered and narcissistic celebrity.

  11. Polls are for latte-sipping Beltway blabbermouths & posturing pundits. Real Americans love Sarah Palin.

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