Here is more information from D.C. source.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_protester_constit...

There are also cases where the accused were acquitted of tax fraud as well. The arguments will continue on both sides well into the future.

There is an argument to be made as to the definition of "income". Some believe that "income" is defined as profit, and that wages should not fall into that category, under the idea that wages from work are not profits but payment for services rendered, i.e. for your work. Merely trading one commodity (your work) for another (money).

Corporations, being treated in legal terms as individuals, would be required to pay taxes on their income (profits) while an individuals income be treated not as profit, but as payment for services rendered.

That being said, whether it was passed legally or not should have no bearing on the argument of whether it should be repealed or not.

Griff, I'm not saying it is right I'm saying that the prisons are filled with people who claimed the 16th Amendment was never ratified. Twice the "Liberty Amendment" to repeal the 16th Amendment has been tried and the people do not want it repealed. This was first started in 1968 when Harry Brown, George Benson and my husband tried and failed. They then got together for a third Political Party called Libertarian Party.

I am more than willing to try again with the LP but I'm trying to keep these people out of prison. Read the links I attached. They were sent to me by a Senate Litigator who has been successful in trying to fix the legality of the IRS.

IT SHOULD BE REPEALED, legally!

Sandra, here are my last two messages posted to your other thread about going back to the Libertarian Party.

Submitted by ekaton on May 29, 2008 - 9:25am.

It was ratified by over 3/4 of the states so it was properly ratified. (mumble... mutter...)

-- Kent Shaw

Submitted by ekaton on May 29, 2008 - 11:23am.

Ron Paul for President.

http://www.truthout.org/article/interview-with-con...

-- Kent Shaw

We cannot ask people to give up what the government has given them since the 60s. Johnson's war on poverty has made poverty double. The LP is focusing on raising the academica in the classrooms training our children in ways to continue their education through trade schools, if necessary. I see nothing wrong with the deveopment of Charter schools. Here in Scottsdale we have a public school that offers extra music for the students while keeping their academic scores high.

We have little corrective actions in our schools at this time as they focus on testing rather than teaching. Again the parents need to get involved before the Federal Government does. Once we get the kids on their way to being well trained to take care of themselves, America can get back to leading the world again as entrepreneurs.

Our welfare program can again assist those families who have real proglems other than laziness.

Ron Paul has all this in his agenda but the American voters are afraid they may not be able to stand alone from the government. Until our academics can bring these people up to the standards we need, we will never stand outside the Federal government's controls.

It is up to the parents to demand higher standards in our schools. The government cannot do it and doesn't want to do it.

" ... American voters are afraid they may not be able to stand alone from the government."

I'm not so sure thats fact. I might tend to agree, but, as you said or I inferred, education is key. I can't find much fault with anything else you wrote. We might disagree on ways to get to where we need to get but (how odd) we do mostly agree on basics. Now I'm scaring myself.

-- Kent Shaw

The appeal of the LP has always been to downsize the government and in doing so keep it on track. The responsibility of the government is clearly laid out in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

It was a given in the early days that charities and churches would use their influence to keep many Americans off the welfare lists. It should have been obvious even then that the lack of education academics were the reason so many Americans were unable to support themselves. We have generations of Americans who are told from the beginning they cannot be taught to read or write but taught to fill out welfare forms. Our schools are jungles with half the kids wanting to learn and the half not even trying. This used to be a color problem but no more.

Our prisons are filled with kids bored to death with their neighborhoods and schools and get a kick out of stealing, raping and pillaging. There is no way our schools can cope with this other than drugging the kids. I saw this back in the 60's and located a private school where disclipline was demanded. We are into a second and maybe third generation of bored kids and disinterested parents and fed-up grandparents. I don't think that this new number of at-risk kids are near the half way point but in many areas they are the drop outs are easily in the 50% of the schools.

The LP does not believe this is a federal government problem because all that the government would do would be to add welfare rolls making another generation of people who cannot stand away from the government.

The American people still believe our lives are in the hands of the federal government and this weakened many European nations and helped them develop into dictatorships.

I'm not asking anyone to vote for Bob Barr as he is new to the movement and may not be the leader needed when we do manage to get our platform and agenda out to the people.

I've had a number of people here and on other forums who have been told they do not have to pay their income taxes and these people will end up in federal prison. I will not mention it again. I am not demandindg anything but I am a warning to all who buy into this mess.

Geez.

Awesome discussions happening lately in general on the "Price Blog" and all over CHB.

Just don't have much to add.

Lots of stuff to think about though.

Lurking, more or less,

-- Kent Shaw

Context:

" ... We are into a second and maybe third generation of bored kids and disinterested parents and fed-up grandparents. I don't think that this new number of at-risk kids are near the half way point but in many areas they are the drop outs are easily in the 50% of the schools.
... "

Quotation:

"I don't think that this new number of at-risk kids are near the half way point"

Sandra, I do not share your optimism.

-- Kent