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May 16, 2008 - 8:34am.
The California Supreme Court has ruled that a statutory ban on same-sex marriages is unconstitutional because it denies people desiring such a union equal treatment under the law. I'm still at a loss trying to figure out why the opponents to same-sex marriage decry these unions, saying over and over again that this will destroy the institution of marriage. They don't ever explain why, and as I see it what destroys marriages is divorce. Though it hasn't been talked about much (if at all), one of the benefits of a legal marriage is that spouse A may not be compelled to testify against spouse B. Thus, if a wife watches a husband rob a bank the prosecution may not make her testify, nor may her refusal to testify be held against the accused. So here's what I'm waiting for: Diane and Joanie, legally married in Massachusetts, are in say Utah when Diane is accused of murder. The prosecution believes that Diane has confessed to Joanie and they call Diane to testify. Diane refuses to testify, claiming her legal right not to be compelled to testify against her spouse. Utah refuses to recognize the validity of the marriage and throws Diane in jail for contempt of court and she appeals, claiming that the Constitution of the United States requires that each state give full faith and credit to the laws of other states (Constitution, Article IV, Section 1) and therefore the State of Utah must allow Diane to refuse to testify against Joanie without penalty. Put another way, suppose Dave and Rachel marry at the age of 15 in a state that allows such marriage. They then immediately move to a state which requires persons entering into marriage to be at least 18. Is the marriage void for the purposes of compelling testimony? If you answer yes to that question but answer no to the question of whether Diane has the right to refuse to testify, you are, in my opinion, doing so on very shaky legal grounds. As I've pointed out before, we must look carefully at what history has to offer on this. At one time (particularly under English law) there was a distinct difference between legal (secular) marriage and a wedding of two people under the auspices of a religion. Most royal marriages consisted of these two parts, and they were completely separate from one another. A modern-day example, fairly timely, is the relationship between men and women at the Yearning For Zion Ranch in Eldorado, Texas. It is claimed that individual men may have as many as 15 or 20 spouses (all of the opposite sex, of course). But, to the best of my knowledge, not one of these so-called marriages have been memorialized by the filing of a marriage certificate with the local court system, which is a requirement for a legal marriage. Though the marriages are not legal, they have probably been sanctified by the church to which the couples belong. As a consequence, the state probably will not be able to prosecute any of these people for polygamy. What you have there is merely an alternative life style, unorthodox (I wish there were a better choice of word there) but certainly not illegal.
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Ted -- isn't it ironic how
Submitted by pollchecker on May 16, 2008 - 9:01am.Ted -- isn't it ironic how such a strong Republican issue that has been used in the past to motivate GOP voters, suddenly resurfaces during an election year?
Coincidence?
Well, I worked for the Log
Submitted by Sandra Price on May 17, 2008 - 10:35am.Well, I worked for the Log Cabin Republicans when I lived in California. (edited by moderator)
Pollchecker, this gay marriage mess came with the Bush Administration in his campaign in 1999. Reagan refused to even look into it. Goldwater's famous comment about Gays in the millitary was that they could shoot as straight as any straight man. Perot thought the GOP had lost its mind in following the Christian tenet that this is an abomination.
Catholics have also smeared the concept of gays anywhere. However it is now a fact that most gay men are now Priests. I have gay grandson and deeply resent Remington's comments about their intentions.
Only in the armed services did this issue ever become a political item. Now the internet is filled with horrible insults of a vast number of Americans. Hell half of Hollywood and the music industry has gay members all over the place and I believe they deserve to treated like Americans. But then this might be another issue where I disagree with CHB.
At the beginning of the
Submitted by pollchecker on May 19, 2008 - 9:44am.At the beginning of the year, Doug wrote a rant about a new season of civility around CHB. And everyone seemed to agree that there was enough name calling in this years elections, that it was time to rise above it.
I ABSOLUTELY HATE editing or deleting what someone has written. But name calling and unsubstantiated allegations have no place in civilized discussion.
I grew up with a motto that said "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you".
I suggest everyone remember that for the most part, we are all working for the good of the USA, the constitution and our children's future.
A future I might add that the spend and Steal REpublicans want to control. I do not want any government controlling my destiny.
So let's keep it civilized folks, PLEASE!
For pollchecker: I am
Submitted by Ted Remington on May 18, 2008 - 12:52pm.For pollchecker:
I am infuriated about the post above this one. The perpetrator knows that I have vowed not to respond to her posts or to post comments on her blog space. Apparently she feels this gives her free rein to libel me with impunity.
Such is not the case. I request that you take action to delete the offensive part of her post that accuses me falsely of being a homophobe.
I also request that you consider requiring that all her posts be approved by you or another moderator prior to being published.
I will not start or participate in a flame war with this person or any other, but there is in my opinion a need to do something about the discivility with which this person treats other people here.
Ted Remington
Ted, while you are waiting
Submitted by Flapsaddle on May 18, 2008 - 5:07pm.Ted, while you are waiting for the moderator to address your complaint, why don't you use the time to reread Orwell's Animal Farm - especially the place where the pig is caught working at night to modify the slogan All animals are equal to read All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
Most sincerely,
T. J. Flapsaddle
The moderator has a life
Submitted by pollchecker on May 19, 2008 - 9:33am.The moderator has a life too.
A Republican motto if I EVER heard one!